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keneastlancs
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Apr 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

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its good to see lots of teams this year are returning to step 4 after previous recent relegations/demotions/voluntary relegation.

Definitely returning are
Chertsey Town (CC)
Daventry Town (UCL)
Sholing (WxL)
Histon (ECL)
Worksop Town (NCEL)
Wantage Town (HL)

also the following could still also go up
Ilkeston Town (ML)

7 from 14 i cant remember as many 'returnees' as this before.

Is it good to see teams return after recent bad times or would you prefer new teams to try their luck?


(This post was edited by keneastlancs on Apr 21, 2019, 11:30 PM)


kirby knitters
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Apr 21, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Ilkeston Town have never played at step 4.


Mr. T
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Apr 21, 2019, 9:46 PM

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You can add Daventry Town (UCL).


ARNOLD241
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Apr 21, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Are you sure about Willand?


ladderman
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Apr 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Ilkeston Town have never played at step 4.

I like you.


keneastlancs
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Apr 21, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Ilkeston Town have never played at step 4.

Correct but a team from Ilkeston Have Ilkeston Town took over from Ilkeston FC so the name Ilkeston will be returning to step 4


keneastlancs
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Apr 21, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Are you sure about Willand?

you are correct - have amended - don't know why I thought they had been higher.


Atavistic
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Apr 21, 2019, 11:55 PM

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its good to see lots of teams this year are returning to step 4 after previous recent relegations/demotions/voluntary relegation.

Definitely returning are
Chertsey Town (CC)
Daventry Town (UCL)
Sholing (WxL)
Histon (ECL)
Worksop Town (NCEL)
Wantage Town (HL)

also the following could still also go up
Ilkeston Town (ML)

7 from 14 i cant remember as many 'returnees' as this before.

Is it good to see teams return after recent bad times or would you prefer new teams to try their luck?


While I always like seeing new teams give it a go, I'm ultimately not fussed who goes up as whoever it is will have achieved it on merit, one way or another. The only one I'd possibly be slightly displeased to see return (well, concerned would probably be a more apt word choice here) is Daventry, given that they voluntarily dropped down to Step 6 as they couldn't handle Step 4 before; who's to say the same won't happen again a year or two down the line?



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keneastlancs
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Apr 22, 2019, 12:13 AM

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its good to see lots of teams this year are returning to step 4 after previous recent relegations/demotions/voluntary relegation.

Definitely returning are
Chertsey Town (CC)
Daventry Town (UCL)
Sholing (WxL)
Histon (ECL)
Worksop Town (NCEL)
Wantage Town (HL)

also the following could still also go up
Ilkeston Town (ML)

7 from 14 i cant remember as many 'returnees' as this before.

Is it good to see teams return after recent bad times or would you prefer new teams to try their luck?


While I always like seeing new teams give it a go, I'm ultimately not fussed who goes up as whoever it is will have achieved it on merit, one way or another. The only one I'd possibly be slightly displeased to see return (well, concerned would probably be a more apt word choice here) is Daventry, given that they voluntarily dropped down to Step 6 as they couldn't handle Step 4 before; who's to say the same won't happen again a year or two down the line?

Did sholing and worksop also not take voluntary relegation?


Atavistic
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Apr 22, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I'm not sure about Worksop, but I thought Sholing's issue was ground-grading last time, rather than any financial issues, but I could very well be wrong there.



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New Grounds: 33 (Most Recent: Corby Town)
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Goals Per Game (to 2 dp): 3.67
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windydcfc
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Apr 22, 2019, 7:38 AM

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its good to see lots of teams this year are returning to step 4 after previous recent relegations/demotions/voluntary relegation.

Definitely returning are
Chertsey Town (CC)
Daventry Town (UCL)
Sholing (WxL)
Histon (ECL)
Worksop Town (NCEL)
Wantage Town (HL)

also the following could still also go up
Ilkeston Town (ML)

7 from 14 i cant remember as many 'returnees' as this before.

Is it good to see teams return after recent bad times or would you prefer new teams to try their luck?


While I always like seeing new teams give it a go, I'm ultimately not fussed who goes up as whoever it is will have achieved it on merit, one way or another. The only one I'd possibly be slightly displeased to see return (well, concerned would probably be a more apt word choice here) is Daventry, given that they voluntarily dropped down to Step 6 as they couldn't handle Step 4 before; who's to say the same won't happen again a year or two down the line?

Did sholing and worksop also not take voluntary relegation?



Didn’t Worksop take voluntary relegation & then tried to withdraw it. The FA told them that it was too late & relegated them anyway.


Rebel Yeller
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Apr 22, 2019, 8:49 AM

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When Sholing took demotion they said something along the lines of " we need to take some time to regroup and consolidate". Don't believe it was the ground. Clearly they've now re-grouped, or whatever it was they needed to do.


shimtoan
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Apr 22, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Ilkeston Town have never played at step 4.

Correct but a team from Ilkeston Have Ilkeston Town took over from Ilkeston FC so the name Ilkeston will be returning to step 4

As a new club.

They'll be the 3rd Ilkeston club in under a decade to play at Step 4 or higher if they go up



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CanalEnder
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Apr 25, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Correct Worksop voluntarily relegated themselves two steps, which was a complete over-reaction to a key funder pulling out. The decision was taken w/o consultation with fans. Then after a plan to finance the club was devised, led by a fan group, an attempt to rescind the relegation was turned down by the NPL. It's taken 5 years to start the climb-back.


hawkwind
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Apr 25, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Ilkeston Town have never played at step 4.

Correct but a team from Ilkeston Have Ilkeston Town took over from Ilkeston FC so the name Ilkeston will be returning to step 4

As a new club.

They'll be the 3rd Ilkeston club in under a decade to play at Step 4 or higher if they go up


That's nothing to be proud of when considering the records of their two predecessors if memory serves.

Weren't they expelled from Conference North after completing seven fixtures early 2010-11 then liquidated having failed to pay an outstanding tax bill?

Weren't they refused a licence by, and then expelled from, the Northern Premier end 2016-17, then wound up June 2017?

How much debt was written off?

I am aware that they are not the only club thriving in similar circumstances.

I just would prefer the playing field not to be so lopsided in favour of reformed debt-free clubs.


Reborn Yellow
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Apr 25, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Seems to be a trend, overspend, go bust, form a new club and then change name to the original club's name whilst we all pay for it.

 
 


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