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Sarumio
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I really can't make it any clearer for you. There was ambiguity in the rule, which appears to have now been at least partially addressed by stipulating a time frame. Which is presumably why the FA has done so.

Anyway, hopefully others will find the perfectly straightforward snippet of info I posted more useful than you do.

and is at best horrendously vague.
Well I doubt that very much! As nothing you are saying makes any logical sense....


Sarumio
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They get around the groundshare issue, by becoming joint tenants. That’s how several clubs like Pinchbeck & Bolsover were able to go up.


So Kennington are now joint tenants of Ashford United's ground?

And the same is true of Penn & Tylers Green at Amersham?

Really???

Still, none of this explains how Kennington got away with not applying - but I'm sure Paulh66 can explain that, as he seems to hodl the answer to everything and nothing!


(This post was edited by Sarumio on Jan 21, 2019, 5:03 PM)


paulh66
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They get around the groundshare issue, by becoming joint tenants. That’s how several clubs like Pinchbeck & Bolsover were able to go up.


That's an interesting and arguably neat way around it! Wonder if, by this criteria, the clubs can argue it's more a ground move rather than a groundshare (a very fine line), or whether this 12 month stipulation the FA have started mentioning is intended to put a halt to these kind of arrangements taking place at the last minute. I guess the former, not least because the latter would appear draconian.


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windydcfc
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They get around the groundshare issue, by becoming joint tenants. That’s how several clubs like Pinchbeck & Bolsover were able to go up.


So Kennington are now joint tenants of Ashford United's ground?

And the same is true of Penn & Tylers Green at Amersham?

Really???

Still, none of this explains how Kennington got away with not applying - but I'm sure Paulh66 can explain that, as he seems to hodl the answer to everything and nothing!



Spalding Utd’s ground is council owned & it was the council that made Pinchbeck joint tenants.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


paulh66
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I really can't make it any clearer for you. There was ambiguity in the rule, which appears to have now been at least partially addressed by stipulating a time frame. Which is presumably why the FA has done so.

Anyway, hopefully others will find the perfectly straightforward snippet of info I posted more useful than you do.

and is at best horrendously vague.
Well I doubt that very much! As nothing you are saying makes any logical sense....


Seemingly so. To you. I can't help you anymore.


Sarumio
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Jan 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I really can't make it any clearer for you. There was ambiguity in the rule, which appears to have now been at least partially addressed by stipulating a time frame. Which is presumably why the FA has done so.

Anyway, hopefully others will find the perfectly straightforward snippet of info I posted more useful than you do.

and is at best horrendously vague.
Well I doubt that very much! As nothing you are saying makes any logical sense....


Seemingly so. To you. I can't help you anymore.


To anyone Paul, its an open forum!


Richard Rundle
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Last season, regardless of the stipulations made in any previous pronouncements, the FA were actively encouraging clubs to enter in agreements, at least in private. The regulations were deliberately vague, this year they appear not to be.


windydcfc
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Last season, regardless of the stipulations made in any previous pronouncements, the FA were actively encouraging clubs to enter in agreements, at least in private. The regulations were deliberately vague, this year they appear not to be.



Last season the FA were setting up the 2 new step 6 leagues. The ECL1S & ECL1N new teams have been given 3 years to get their grounds sorted. The clubs that applied to that league, weren’t even on the step 7 applicants list. On a totally separate subject. I’m not sure how true this is, but a club told me that you can apply to the F.A. for promotion, after the 31st December deadline. I’ve been told that you can apply as a late applicant & the F.A. will look at it on a case by case basis. Can any league officials clarify this?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


shimtoan
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Jan 21, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Last season, regardless of the stipulations made in any previous pronouncements, the FA were actively encouraging clubs to enter in agreements, at least in private. The regulations were deliberately vague, this year they appear not to be.



Last season the FA were setting up the 2 new step 6 leagues. The ECL1S & ECL1N new teams have been given 3 years to get their grounds sorted. The clubs that applied to that league, weren’t even on the step 7 applicants list. On a totally separate subject. I’m not sure how true this is, but a club told me that you can apply to the F.A. for promotion, after the 31st December deadline. I’ve been told that you can apply as a late applicant & the F.A. will look at it on a case by case basis. Can any league officials clarify this?

3 years for ECL D1s, 5 years for KIL (now SCE1) IIRC.

What was it for the EMCL, and what is it for the NWC D1s?



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windydcfc
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Jan 21, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Last season, regardless of the stipulations made in any previous pronouncements, the FA were actively encouraging clubs to enter in agreements, at least in private. The regulations were deliberately vague, this year they appear not to be.



Last season the FA were setting up the 2 new step 6 leagues. The ECL1S & ECL1N new teams have been given 3 years to get their grounds sorted. The clubs that applied to that league, weren’t even on the step 7 applicants list. On a totally separate subject. I’m not sure how true this is, but a club told me that you can apply to the F.A. for promotion, after the 31st December deadline. I’ve been told that you can apply as a late applicant & the F.A. will look at it on a case by case basis. Can any league officials clarify this?

3 years for ECL D1s, 5 years for KIL (now SCE1) IIRC.

What was it for the EMCL, and what is it for the NWC D1s?



The NWCL was initially going to have a 3 years grace period. But ended up with enough teams that passed the ground grading. So that’s why last season, all the NWCL applicants were on the step 7 applicants list.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


kirby knitters
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Talking of the EMCL it's looking more likely by the week that you are heading back. I'll be at Shepshed in a few weeks to see Will (unless you have terminated him)


Richard Rundle
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3 years for ECL D1s, 5 years for KIL (now SCE1) IIRC.

What was it for the EMCL, and what is it for the NWC D1s?


The NWC Division Ones didn't really have a grace period, all clubs were supposed to have met Step 6 gradings by the start of the season. Three (I think) didn't (I'm not sure if there still isn't one non-compliant club even now) and were being fined monthly by the league until they did comply.


trevorgil
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Aylesbury FC are taking relegation from Southern League Div 1 Central.

http://www.pitchero.com/...atement-2386347.html


Does anyone know if Barking will be joining them? Place is falling to bits from what i hear. Containers for changing rooms, no clubhouse just a mish mash of temporary sheds etc just about covering the basics.


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Yes they are in trouble, and they know it. They have been trying to get a permanent clubhouse facility in place for some time, but without success. With just over two months left, I think it's looking bleak for them.


As a Barking fan/in the know I can confirm that we have no issues with our stadium. Our portakabin dressing rooms (as rudimentary and basic as they admittedly are) comply with all regulations and our bar/clubhouse is the same. The club is literally days away from securing a lease which will enable us to secure funding to upgrade the facilities. The Bostik & FA are happy with what we have and we will stay where we are providing we don't finish in the bottom two!


THDrummer1
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Again please excuse my ignorance of things. Wazza's spreadsheets show a number of reprieves at step 6, a few including the bottom teams, but www.thebootifulgame.com state the following:

At Step 6, the suggestion is that the bottom two sides will be relegated to Step 7. If any reprieves are available then the side with the best PPG will be reprieved. The bottom club of each division will not be eligible for a reprieve.

Who is correct?


windydcfc
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Again please excuse my ignorance of things. Wazza's spreadsheets show a number of reprieves at step 6, a few including the bottom teams, but www.thebootifulgame.com state the following:

At Step 6, the suggestion is that the bottom two sides will be relegated to Step 7. If any reprieves are available then the side with the best PPG will be reprieved. The bottom club of each division will not be eligible for a reprieve.

Who is correct?



I believe the Bootiful game is correct.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


THDrummer1
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Just waded through thd FA regulations which state:

At Steps 2-5 the Club finishing in last place in the table at the end of the Regular Season will be relegated and not reprieved. Below Step 5 the Clubs to be reprieved will be decided at the sole discretion of the
Committee.

All very confusing.


windydcfc
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Jan 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Just waded through thd FA regulations which state:

At Steps 2-5 the Club finishing in last place in the table at the end of the Regular Season will be relegated and not reprieved. Below Step 5 the Clubs to be reprieved will be decided at the sole discretion of the
Committee.

All very confusing.



The rules also state that teams that fold will be placed in bottom place. So that’s why Penrith are unlikely to be relegated from NL1



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


siramisp
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Cant see Worcester Raiders being promoted. Ground etc not due to be finished till October is it??

Rumours are rife about West Mids League folding but no clear clarification as yet


footylover
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Windy is this 1 definitely relegated from step 6 a hard rule? I did hear mentioned at a recent Durham City game that they are expecting no relegation from NL 2 this season. There seems to be a lot of differing opinions on this. Also is this rule of having to play the current season on the ground you are applying for promotion for and also the following season going to be stuck to? What would happen if a team gains promotion the decides to move elsewhere before the season starts? Here in the NE both promotion spots will be taken on ground share options. (Sunderland WE and Newcastle Uni) until their new facilities are built.



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windydcfc
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Windy is this 1 definitely relegated from step 6 a hard rule? I did hear mentioned at a recent Durham City game that they are expecting no relegation from NL 2 this season. There seems to be a lot of differing opinions on this. Also is this rule of having to play the current season on the ground you are applying for promotion for and also the following season going to be stuck to? What would happen if a team gains promotion the decides to move elsewhere before the season starts? Here in the NE both promotion spots will be taken on ground share options. (Sunderland WE and Newcastle Uni) until their new facilities are built.



As has been mentioned, it’s a League Committee’s on whether teams are reprieved at step 6 or not. So you might have different decisions up & down the country.
I think Durham City are the least likely club to be reprieved. NL2 has 20 clubs this season & only 1 is currently going to be promoted. It’s unlikely that any clubs from NL1 will be relegated. So that’s 19 clubs left, with 2 almost certainly going to be promoted. That will mean there’s 1 too many. Rob has laterally transferred Northallerton to the NCEL1. I personally don’t think that this will happen & Durham City will be relegated. But this is all about opinions & no one knows what will happen. Even the LC won’t know until the season is over in every league. If Sunderland WE & Newcastle Uni own ground’s are ready next season, then they’ll be allowed to move across after they’ve been ground graded.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


footylover
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If that's the case there are going to be a lot of good lads at Durham City dissapointed. They seem to be very confident that if they finish bottom they will not be relegated. Mr Bernard has a lot to answer for.



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windydcfc
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If that's the case there are going to be a lot of good lads at Durham City dissapointed. They seem to be very confident that if they finish bottom they will not be relegated. Mr Bernard has a lot to answer for.



Let’s be honest, they are a basket case. No home & as far as I can see no prospect of getting one. With Durham Utd at New Ferrens Park & they have a fantastic community set up. The future looks bleak for Durham City.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Northumbrian
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If that's the case there are going to be a lot of good lads at Durham City dissapointed. They seem to be very confident that if they finish bottom they will not be relegated. Mr Bernard has a lot to answer for.


So from reading this thread it could be if the Northern League Div 2 runner up has a really strong run from now until the end of the season (e.g. Thornaby, Northallerton, Chester-le-Street) and is promoted with Billingham Town(likely champions) then there might be no relegation from NL Div 2. If I’m right but could be wrong then Durham City, if they do come bottom, could still be saved from relegation.


windydcfc
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If that's the case there are going to be a lot of good lads at Durham City dissapointed. They seem to be very confident that if they finish bottom they will not be relegated. Mr Bernard has a lot to answer for.


So from reading this thread it could be if the Northern League Div 2 runner up has a really strong run from now until the end of the season (e.g. Thornaby, Northallerton, Chester-le-Street) and is promoted with Billingham Town(likely champions) then there might be no relegation from NL Div 2. If I’m right but could be wrong then Durham City, if they do come bottom, could still be saved from relegation.



The League Committee could look at laterally transferring clubs from either the NCEL1 or NWCL1N into the NL2. So Durham City could still be relegated even if the runners up are promoted. But they might already be safe & that’s the problem, there’s absolutely no guarantees. No one will have a clue until the season is over & then it’ll only be a best guess.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


blackdouglas
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If that's the case there are going to be a lot of good lads at Durham City disappointed. They seem to be very confident that if they finish bottom they will not be relegated. Mr Bernard has a lot to answer for.


So from reading this thread it could be if the Northern League Div 2 runner up has a really strong run from now until the end of the season (e.g. Thornaby, Northallerton, Chester-Le-Street) and is promoted with Billingham Town(likely champions) then there might be no relegation from NL Div 2. If I’m right but could be wrong then Durham City, if they do come bottom, could still be saved from relegation.


One easy way for Durham City to deal with their predicament, if they finish bottom they should assume they are going to be relegated.



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