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TroubleAtMill
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Has the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland now come to the point where it is better for all parts to separate and go their separate ways.

Scotland, generally wants left of centre politics and to be part of Europe, neither of which it will it get as part of UK. Solution Independence.

England, generally wants right of centre politics and to be out of Europe, it's much easier to have these permanently without Wales and Scotland in particular. Solution Independence.

Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales don't really want it and it's problems. Solution Independence. If they then fight themselves about staying independent or joining the Republic of Ireland, so be it.

Wales, generally wants ..............
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jon b
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Why stop there?

London and the South East are keen to remain in the EU so if we split England back down into Wessex, Mercia and Northumbria as per King Alfred's days, two can leave the EU and the other remain.

I think Dronfield falls into border Mercia/Northumbria territory so we can become border reivers and nick cattle from Sheffield.

Bring it on.


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Now that Andy Murray is close to retiring then England no longer have a sportsperson that wins major events, so he can be Scottish again Laugh

The UK government, at least the one that sits in London, complains that it is controlled by the EU, it is made to follow rules and regulations that it doesn't like, yet the same government treats Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales in the same manner. The UK has become an alliance that is held together by bullying from the biggest partner.

Scotland could probably survive as an independent country. Wales would find it difficult, although small nations such as Estonia managed to thrive after independence. Northern Ireland is always going to be an issue. Whatever happens there will always be problems in Northern Ireland but being part of the UK does seem to give some stability to the region, at least for the last 20 years.


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Don't forget Yorkshire who would have finished 12th in the medals table at the last Olympics.
Add to that Cornwall where nobody goes unless they're on holiday so seems a good reason, Orkney, Shetlands, Isle of Man and even Canvey Island who all have their own independence organistaions.
Sounds great, we will stop having to subsidise them all. Tongue


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Don't forget Yorkshire who would have finished 12th in the medals table at the last Olympics.
Add to that Cornwall where nobody goes unless they're on holiday so seems a good reason, Orkney, Shetlands, Isle of Man and even Canvey Island who all have their own independence organistaions.
Sounds great, we will stop having to subsidise them all. Tongue


We can ask Trump to build a wall along the Yorkshire/Lancashore border to stop them heading east in search of a better life, better tea and grumpier women.


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Don't forget Yorkshire who would have finished 12th in the medals table at the last Olympics.
Add to that Cornwall where nobody goes unless they're on holiday so seems a good reason, Orkney, Shetlands, Isle of Man and even Canvey Island who all have their own independence organistaions.
Sounds great, we will stop having to subsidise them all. Tongue


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Don't forget Yorkshire who would have finished 12th in the medals table at the last Olympics.
Add to that Cornwall where nobody goes unless they're on holiday so seems a good reason, Orkney, Shetlands, Isle of Man and even Canvey Island who all have their own independence organistaions.
Sounds great, we will stop having to subsidise them all. Tongue


We can ask Trump to build a wall along the Yorkshire/Lancashore border to stop them heading east in search of a better life, better tea and grumpier women.


So you wish to finish the Northern Premier League off by building the Yorks/Lance wall.

We locally are looking to the Wessex Liberation Army to step in after 29 March and approach the Highways Agency to see whether they will sell the toll booths from two the Severn Bridges now that they are toll free. Or maybe Mrs May, as part of her master plan, wants to put them on the border with the Republic of Ireland


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Don't forget Yorkshire who would have finished 12th in the medals table at the last Olympics.
Add to that Cornwall where nobody goes unless they're on holiday so seems a good reason, Orkney, Shetlands, Isle of Man and even Canvey Island who all have their own independence organistaions.
Sounds great, we will stop having to subsidise them all. Tongue


We can ask Trump to build a wall along the Yorkshire/Lancashore border to stop them heading east in search of a better life, better tea and grumpier women.


So you wish to finish the Northern Premier League off by building the Yorks/Lance wall.

We locally are looking to the Wessex Liberation Army to step in after 29 March and approach the Highways Agency to see whether they will sell the toll booths from two the Severn Bridges now that they are toll free. Or maybe Mrs May, as part of her master plan, wants to put them on the border with the Republic of Ireland

The Northern Premier League would be replaced at step 3 and step 4 with the Northern Counties East League with the North West Counties league at step 5 feeding into the Southern League Central.
We only now need a wall because 50/60 years ago Yorkshire already had a deterrent, we called him Fred Trueman


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Why stop there?

London and the South East are keen to remain in the EU so if we split England back down into Wessex, Mercia and Northumbria as per King Alfred's days, two can leave the EU and the other remain.

I think Dronfield falls into border Mercia/Northumbria territory so we can become border reivers and nick cattle from Sheffield.

Bring it on.


Yes, but in King Alfred's day, we also had the Danelaw so places like Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Essex and Dronfield were ruled directly by foreigners from the continent. I can't see the natives objecting if that is reinstated.


007Dale
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Now that Andy Murray is close to retiring then England no longer have a sportsperson that wins major events, so he can be Scottish again Laugh

The UK government, at least the one that sits in London, complains that it is controlled by the EU, it is made to follow rules and regulations that it doesn't like, yet the same government treats Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales in the same manner. The UK has become an alliance that is held together by bullying from the biggest partner.

Scotland could probably survive as an independent country. Wales would find it difficult, although small nations such as Estonia managed to thrive after independence. Northern Ireland is always going to be an issue. Whatever happens there will always be problems in Northern Ireland but being part of the UK does seem to give some stability to the region, at least for the last 20 years.


Wales also voted to leave the EU, so that wouldnít be a reason for them to leave the U.K.

The current demographics of NI means there is no way they would vote to join Ireland or leave the U.K. (independence as NI isnít a realistic option).

Scotland can do what the hell it likes, quite frankly. Just make its mind up one way or the other. If it prefers EU membership, and everything that entails for a new member (such as commitment to take the Euro), then fine by me.


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The current demographics of NI means there is no way they would vote to join Ireland or leave the U.K. (independence as NI isnít a realistic option)..


Really?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/...ays-brexit-d8zlmvk2v


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Don't forget Yorkshire who would have finished 12th in the medals table at the last Olympics.
Add to that Cornwall where nobody goes unless they're on holiday so seems a good reason, Orkney, Shetlands, Isle of Man and even Canvey Island who all have their own independence organistaions.
Sounds great, we will stop having to subsidise them all. Tongue


We can ask Trump to build a wall along the Yorkshire/Lancashore border to stop them heading east in search of a better life, better tea and grumpier women.

I am only prepared to support this Pennine wall if the Mexicans pay for it.


007Dale
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The current demographics of NI means there is no way they would vote to join Ireland or leave the U.K. (independence as NI isnít a realistic option)..


Really?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/...ays-brexit-d8zlmvk2v


Yes.
iím talking demographics, not opinion polls.

However, iím Happy to run a referendum in NI to prove the point.


PaulC
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The current demographics of NI means there is no way they would vote to join Ireland or leave the U.K. (independence as NI isnít a realistic option)..


Really?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/...ays-brexit-d8zlmvk2v


Yes.
iím talking demographics, not opinion polls.

However, iím Happy to run a referendum in NI to prove the point.


Opinion polls reflect the demographics

2011 census

Roman Catholic 45% (+1% on 2001)
Protestant 48% (-5% on 2001

Under 35, the majority is now RC. Probably with 15-20 years there will be a RC majority.


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The current demographics of NI means there is no way they would vote to join Ireland or leave the U.K. (independence as NI isnít a realistic option)..


Really?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/...ays-brexit-d8zlmvk2v


Yes.
iím talking demographics, not opinion polls.

However, iím Happy to run a referendum in NI to prove the point.


Opinion polls reflect the demographics

2011 census

Roman Catholic 45% (+1% on 2001)
Protestant 48% (-5% on 2001

Under 35, the majority is now RC. Probably with 15-20 years there will be a RC majority.


So the remaining 7% who are probably Hindu, Muslim, and other Christians plus atheists and agnostics would be crucial if there was a referendum. I suspect there could be a narrow lead for joining the republic, although I doubt whether this will ever happen and wouldn't solve any problems if it did.



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jon b
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Given that at the present time neither side in Northern Ireland would accept a re-unification Referendum verdict that went against them, it's all pretty academic.


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Given that at the present time neither side in Northern Ireland would accept a re-unification Referendum verdict that went against them, it's all pretty academic.

A referendum where neither side would accept a verdict that went against them? It's hard to imagine such a thing.

Surely any referendum is a wonderfully healing event that harmoniously resolves any difficult political problem.

 
 


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