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leohoenig
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The Asian Cup is upon us, although it is generally ignored in the UK.

I have not heard of anyone from this forum going, and I decided to miss it on cash grounds - so soon after my last trip and before the Chinese New Year

This tournament is in the UAE, so it is a winter one.

The next, 2023 has two bids currently in the system - from China and South Korea - so it will be a summer tournament

With Africa having changed to the summer, this is now the only continent which plays during the main European season. A decision on where the African Cup of Nations moves to, after Cameroon were stripped of the rights takes place next week - apparently it will not be Morocco with Egypt and South Africa bidding

Back to Asia, this is the first 24 team contest
One of the reasons for lack of notice is while the number of players from European clubs is up to 73 from 50 in 2015 - so roughly in line with competition expansion, the number of players from England is down from 10 to 9.

The nine are (from wiki)
Australia - Matthew Ryan (Brighton), Massimo Luongo (QPR), Jackson Irvine (Hull)
South Korea - Son Heung-min (Spurs), Ki Sung-yueng (Newcastle)
Iran - Karim Ansarifard (Nottm Forest), Alireza Jahanbakhsh (Brighton)
Japan - Yoshinori Muto (Newcastle), Maya Yoshida (Saints).

Scotland loses four players to the tournament, all the Australia with Hibs being hit for three
Mark Milligan, Jamie Maclaren and Martin Boyle. The other is Tom Rogic of Celtic

Group A sees the hosts line up against Thailand, India and Bahrain. It would be a major surprise if UAE do not reach the knock out stages. FIFA ranks India above Bahrain and Thailand - but I think it is more open and that Bahrain may qualify. I do not give a lot to Thailand's chances

Group B features Australia, Syria, Palestine and Jordan. Australia have less players from their own league than any other nation in this tournament, but this tends to suit them, their results suffer when they have a lot of A-League players. FIFA ranks Jordan the lowest of the others, but I have a feeling they will make the knock out rounds.

Group C has South Korea as top seed, while China should not find reaching the knock out stage beyond them. Kyrygyzstan and Philippines make up the group, mainly to remind us that the AFC should not have moved to a 24 team tournament

Group D will end with Iran v Iraq in Dubai. Iran are the seed, and both should get through. Vietnam to finish third, Yemen are the fourth team

Group E has Saudi as the seed, Lebanon are second ranked by FIFA, but Qatar may surprise them. The Qatar team still depends on players who have been naturalised, but are now taken them on at an earlier age through the Aspire academy. I do not think North Korea have a team good enough for it to be reported on in their homeland. The two players in Italy are both listed by wiki as born in North Korea, as is Pak Ryong-kwang. Pak has been in European football for 8 years now. Two further players, both born in Japan are with Japanese clubs.

Group F is led by Japan, and Uzbekistan should make the knock out rounds. Oman and Turkmanistan are the other pair.
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The Philippines have three English born players in their side.
The Younghusband brothers Phil and James and Adam Reed.
They also have players born in Germany, Australia and the USA.
Phil Younghusband has scored 50 goals for the Philippines, he only needs to score 4 more to overtake Wayne Rooney as the top scoring Englishman in international football!



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I would have thought the Cardiff goalkeeper would have been called up for the Philippines


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I would have thought the Cardiff goalkeeper would have been called up for the Philippines. ===================================== Azkals’ Swedish coach Sven Goran Eriksson had left Etheridge out of the lineup as he could only play for one match due to his club commitments with Cardiff City.




July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 15 / 14 / 1 / inc 1 x 0-0. (You know my rules) @ 13 / 07 / 2019.
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So premier league is more important than international competitive matches. Who would have thought it.


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So premier league is more important than international competitive matches. Who would have thought it.


That's what I thought, plus also...

"Spurs have negotiated with South Korea so that Son will not be required for their opening two pool games and will fly out after the game against Manchester United on 13 January."

I thought international stuff got precedent over league? Or does that rule not apply to the Asia Cup?


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So premier league is more important than international competitive matches. Who would have thought it.


That's what I thought, plus also...

"Spurs have negotiated with South Korea so that Son will not be required for their opening two pool games and will fly out after the game against Manchester United on 13 January."

I thought international stuff got precedent over league? Or does that rule not apply to the Asia Cup?


AFAIK the Asia competition is priority and clubs have to release their players.

No idea why Etheridge isn't playing for Philippines - think that's a real shame maybe his only chance to play in a Finals.

The Spurs situation is different I think because the club and Korea Republic agreed a deal whereby the player was released by Spurs for a non-FIFA priority competition during the opening weeks of 2018-19 in exchange for missing the early part of these finals.


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I’m going to a couple of games in Abu Dhabi on 20th and 21st January


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Have fun, and please report back later, (you can choose between where did you go, international hopping or this thread).
Meanwhile, I am feeling positive about suggesting Jordan would beat their ranking.



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The Thais are not impressed with their start, and have sacked their coach one game in!



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Meanwhile China takes over the USA according to a local newspaper match programme for the competition.
AFC Asian Cup: China ‘occupies’ USA according to official matchday programme after printing blunder
  • Mainland netizens say it was always going to happen, and was just a matter of time
  • UAE organisers apologise after the programme is distributed to local media
PUBLISHED : Monday, 07 January, 2019, 12:27pm UPDATED : Monday, 07 January, 2019, 12:27pm
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July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 15 / 14 / 1 / inc 1 x 0-0. (You know my rules) @ 13 / 07 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(0-0-0)-(0-3-4-2). Lux = 0-3. Neth-= 0-0-0-(2 - 2).

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''An official AFC Asian Cup programme published by local media outlet Etihad Newspaper, posted a map of the United States in its introduction for the China team.

“How come there is no Hawaii or Alaska?” one fan queried before adding: “Seems we cannot keep our territory intact.”

Another commentor said the publisher had not made any mistake as this was “going to happen, just a matter of time” while another said, “we have no problem with that”.

Many China supporters said they should pull out of the tournament in protest over the programme, which also listed two former China internationals, Du Wei and Huang Bowen, among the squad.

The Chinese Football Association also said they were aware of the incident and immediately lodged a complaint to the organisers.''



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 15 / 14 / 1 / inc 1 x 0-0. (You know my rules) @ 13 / 07 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(0-0-0)-(0-3-4-2). Lux = 0-3. Neth-= 0-0-0-(2 - 2).

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After a couple of unexpected results at the start, it is beginning to look predictable, at least prior to the knock out stages

Half way through the group stages, with a clear expectation as who should win the next six games. Assuming Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Japan and Uzbekistan win their games then they will all be in the next round.

It only gets interesting if one or more fail to win!

Today, both China and South Korea won their second games and therefore are in the last 16, leaving Kyrgyzstan and Philippines to fight out for the points in third place, hoping to make the cut. A draw will probably mean both fail!!

Group A remains interesting, UAE won their second match and lead with four points. Thailand recovered from their heavy defeat against India to beat Bahrain and keep themselves in contention. India, of course lost ground by losing to the hosts, while despite losing and having only one point, Bahrain still know a win in the final game should ensure them getting through,

Indeed, all of the four teams know that a win should put them through, while everyone except Bahrain probably think a draw is enough. Thailand had sacked their coach afte losing to India, but the replacement, Sirisak Yodyadthai is now secure in his position until Monday!

Syria have reportedly become the second team to sack their coach, with Bernd Stange leaving after their group B defeat by Jordan. The result guarantees Jordan's participation in the knock out rounds, while Syria have just one point from two games. Australia came back from their defeat against Jordan to beat Palestine. As in group A, all three of Australia, Syria and Palestine can expect to qualify if they win their final game, while a draw should be good enough for Australia - but will not suit their opponents, Syria.
Palestine's final game is against already qualified Jordan



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Half way through the group stages, with a clear expectation as who should win the next six games. Assuming Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Japan and Uzbekistan win their games then they will all be in the next round.

It only gets interesting if one or more fail to win!


For the record, all six won their second game. This means a team finishing third on four points (only possible in groups A and B) will go through. Some teams will go through on three points, and it may be possible to qualify with only one point if we have enough draws in the next four days.



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Unsuprisingly, the match reports for UAE v Thailand suggest the game died in the second half, with the draw meaning both teams went through
For most of the game, it appeared Thailand would be third in the group behind India, but a last minute goal in the other game changed things The late goal came from the penalty spot and was converted by Jamal Rashid for Bahrain
It lifted Bahrain into the third qualification spot in the group and left UAE as group winners, Thailand second
Group B today, Jordan v Palestine and Australia v SyriaJordan already through, Australia need a point to be certain, Palestine and Syria both go through if they can win their games - but a one or two point finish in third place is not likely to be enough.



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India began by beating Thailand 4-1. India finished bottom of the group, Thailand finished 2nd.
Has it ever happened before in an international finals that BOTH the winner of an opening game has ended up last in their group AND the team that they beat finished in top 2 qualified?


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India began by beating Thailand 4-1. India finished bottom of the group, Thailand finished 2nd.
Has it ever happened before in an international finals that BOTH the winner of an opening game has ended up last in their group AND the team that they beat finished in top 2 qualified?


A quick scan on the interweb shows that Norway beat Mexico 1-0 in their opening game at the 1994 WC. Norway finished bottom of the group and Mexico finished top

In 1986 Portugal beat England in the first game but finished bottom while England finished second


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So, Australia have recovered from losing the first game to win the other pair and go through with six points. Jordan win the group after a draw against Palestine. This leaves Syria bottom of the group on one point, but gives a faint hope to Palestine

In all the remaining four groups, two sides on zero points play each other in the third game. That means winners go through - unless all four games produce a winner, in which case one winner (and Palestine) miss out

If two or more of these games are drawn, then Palestine go through.

Today the "winners" matches are South Korea v China and Iran v Iraq. Matches with strong local rivalry. All four teams are already through. South Korea and Iran start as favourites, but no doubt some players will be rested, so we shall see.

The other games are Kyrgyzstan v Philippines and Vietnam v Yemen. Kyrgyzstan have put up a strong fight in the earlier games including leading against China until an almighty goalkeeping blunder. Hence they are favourites, but this may be a close one. I certainly have Vietnam favourites in the later group and I would be surprised if they did not win the game



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India began by beating Thailand 4-1. India finished bottom of the group, Thailand finished 2nd.
Has it ever happened before in an international finals that BOTH the winner of an opening game has ended up last in their group AND the team that they beat finished in top 2 qualified?


A quick scan on the interweb shows that Norway beat Mexico 1-0 in their opening game at the 1994 WC. Norway finished bottom of the group and Mexico finished top

In 1986 Portugal beat England in the first game but finished bottom while England finished second


Thanks Tykeoldboy.

Brought back good memories of that Gary Lineker hat-trick, the rest is a blur.

1994 I had to look up. Strange group that turned out to be.


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For the final day of group matches, focus will be on the remaining third place qualifyers for the knock out rounds

So far, Bahrain (4 points) and Kyrgyzstan (3 points, GD 0) have booked their places. Vietnam (3 points, GD -1) and Palestine (2 points) wait and hope.

Palestine know they have little hope, as they require both today's games, Oman v Turkmenistan and Lebanon v North Korea to be drawn

Vietnam have a good chance of going through and will of course make it if either match is drawn.

Oman have a goal difference of -2, so a two goal win confirms them in the next round, while any win stands them in good stead. A 3-2 win ties them with Vietnam on Goal difference and goals scored, meaning disciplinary points, (Oman 3 bookings, Vietman 5) or lots could decide.

Turkmenistan have a goal difference of -5, while the later match has the advantage of a target reset by the first result. Neither Lebanon or North Korea have scored yet, Lebanon have conceded four, North Korea 10.



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The last two places did go down to the wire, with late goals deciding one issue but not quite enough in the other.

Oman's game came first, and after two first half goals, this was level at 1-1 until the 84th minute. Oman then took the lead, but 2-1 would leave them in a perilous position, fourth on the third placed table and hence the team, North Korea or more likely Lebanon needed to displace.

At 2-1, Oman would have been behind Vietnam on goals scored. In the 93rd minute, they scored their third, lifting them above Vietnam and into third place. Like Kyrgyzstan, they finished on four goals for and against, but three bookings in the final game made a minor (and unimportant) graduation on the table.

So to the final game, Lebanon needed a 4-0 win to be certain. North Korea needed an unlikely nine to go through. Neither had scored in their first two games, but it is North Korea who score first.

Lebanon pull the game back, level by half time, the drawing away in the second half to score a fourth goal some 8 minutes into injury time.

This leaves them level with Vietnam on points, goal difference and goals scored. Lebanon suffered two bookings in this game and it is that the makes the difference. Vietnam qualify with five disciplinary points against Lebanon's 7.

The round of 16 starts on Sunday with
Jordan v Vietnam
Thailand v China and
Iran v Oman

Monday sees
Japan v Saudi Arabia
Australia v Uzbekistan and
UAE v Kyrgyzstan

Finally on Tuesday we have
South Korea v Bahrain and
Qatar v Iraq

Favourites for the semi finals would be Japan, Iran, South Korea and Australia. As a cup in Arabia, people will look to the Arab sides to shock the system, either the home boys for UAE, or the Saudi team

And then, there is Qatar. Not really an Arab team anymore, as their new policy, which is looking successful so far is to naturalise players young, sending them through the Aspire academy with short spells at Eupen in Belgium and/or Cultural Leonesa in Spain. We will hear more of this in the national press as 2022 approaches



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Iran 2 Oman 0 at the Mohammed Bin Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi. admission price 75 Dirhams(about 15 quid) for a decent seat high up near the halfway line, 3 sides of the ground were conventional stands but the fourth seemed like an exclusive stand for press and executives which included a large number of sheiks in robes.
The game kicked off at 9pm and got off to the best possible start when the underdogs Oman were awarded a penalty in the first minute by the Mexican referee, unfortunately they contrived to miss it although it was a great save by the Iran keeper and any chance of an upset seemed to die with that, not that roughly a third of the crowd were aware as they wandered in late, although that may have been more to do with tight security getting in the ground which to my European eye was quite chaotic although mostly good humoured.
Just as the Iranian band had started cavorting around the seats in front of me on the half hour the Iranians took the lead which their superior play deserved, and ten minutes later the Mexican ref gave them a soft penalty just before half time which they converted to make it 2-0 and that was pretty much that as Oman lacked the firepower to come back, although they did hit a 30 yard screamer just before the break which was brilliantly saved by the Iran keeper.
The second half was pretty much a damp squib as the result was pretty much foregone, and with 5 minutes left I slipped away to avoid the crowds, luckily managed to hail a cab back to my hotel where my forgiving wife awaited, interestingly the cab back cost 80 dirhams and was driven by an African guy who didn’t seem to know where he was going and the cab out only cost 60 dirhams and driven by a pleasant Nepalase who was happy to chat about football and cricket. Abu Dhabi does have some public transport in a decent bus system but they could do with a metro like Dubai. Attendance at the game was announced as 31,945 in a 42,000 capacity venue, to my eye it didn’t look as much as that as there were plenty of empty seats, quite a interesting experience and just a shame that the early penalty miss took the excitement away.


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United Arab Emirates 3 Kyrygyzstan 2 after extra time at the Zayed Sports City Stadium, Abu Dhabi, which is a 45,000 capacity stadium where the final is to be played, an athletics type stadium similar to West Ham’s where the sightlines are quite poor for spectators. Since the host nation were involved I had expected a large crowd so I had bought my 50 dirham(approx 11 quid)ticket in advance but in the end it was unnecessary as only 17,745 turned up, I paid an extra 12 dirhams for the privilege of printing my ticket at home, thanks a lot Ticketmaster!!
UAE started brightly as befitted their favourite status and scored a header from a corner after 13 minutes through poor defending, which was to be a feature of the game overall. Kyrygyzstan came back into the game more after that and their spirit and endeavour backed by at least 3,000 raucous fans, a good percentage of whom were female, and it was no surprise when they equalised on 26 mins, their forward rounding the keeper before slotting home from a narrow angle to send the visiting fans into a frenzy. Both sets of fans(and indeed Iran’s from the previous night)adopted the moronic Icelandic type chanting which seems sadly prevalent, you’d think they might have though up something original, although there was a absence of malice which was refreshing.
In the second half a cross from Kyrygyzstan drifted over the UAE keeper and hit the angle of cross and bar before coming back into play on 55 mins before the home side countered to lead 2-1 on 63 mins for a goal which the defending side bitterly claimed was offside but the big screen replay showed that a defender coming out late had played the attacker onside so the goal stood correctly. Four minutes later Kyrygyzstan missed a sitter, and it seemed that all their efforts were in vain until just as I was thinking of making an early exit they managed to scramble an equaliser in injury time from a corner through abject defending from the home side to make it 2-2.
Half an hour of extra time produced just one more goal for the UAE on 101 minutes they converted a penalty given by the ref for a push in the box, as it was down the far end it was hard to see whether it was justified or not but it was duly tucked away. After this Kyrygyzstan frantically sought an equaliser with both sides lacking composure and content to waste time and hack the ball clear if necessary. In injury time of extra time the visitors managed to hit the underside of the bar and a few seconds later they were out having lost 3-2 in a dramatic end to the game many of their players lay prostrate on the turf. They probably deserved a draw and a chance of the lottery of penalties but lacked enough quality and self belief to achieve it.
Arriving early before the game to beat the crowds which never turned up I had time to look around the ground and had a gander at the merchandise stall which was pretty average by Western standards. I enquired about programmes and was told there were none so wandered off only to come to a hospitality tent which had a few copies of said programme on the counter at the entrance. As I walked by the 2 girls on the counter went off somewhere so I took the liberty of relieving them of one of the programmes, not sure the prawn sandwich brigade would miss them anyway.
After the game for once the authorities had organised it properly(possibly because the home side were involved)and there was an organised taxi rank with plenty of taxis to transport me back to the hotel which was reached on the stroke of midnight given the 9pm start and extra time. Neither side looked to have the necessary quality to trouble even an inexperienced looking Australia side in the quarter finals but overall it was another interesting day out.


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Good to see the match reports.
Still, while there may have been some drama, the round was predictable enough that had you asked me ahead, I would have been right on seven out of eight
Vietnam's penalty shoot out against Jordan would have been my one mistake
I feel confident Vietnam's run will end against Japan - and I have already predicted. I have South Korea, Iran and Australia to join them.
I am less confident about the Friday games than about the Thursday ones



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Qatar knock South Korea out with a late winner, Spurs fans should be pleased at least

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