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mip
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The whole shabby, corrupt, self serving and dysfunctional EU and its bureaucrats summed up by one brave Dutch MEP earlier today.

https://youtu.be/-c5jsvV_hCw

Expect lots more of this after the Euro elections.
The rotten edifice is slowly imploding but the elites and their followers still can't see it.......Crazy


Sophie in t'Veld rants against the European Council, so the head of states, because she doesn't think the Council is taking enough political steps forward. She wants Mr Tusk to take more action.

She, and her party D66, are firm believers in European integration. From wikipedia: D66 favours a Federal Europe and more European cooperation on issues such as the environment, immigration policy, and foreign policy.

So I don't think she really supports your point.Tongue

On a side note, the European Medicines Agency is now starting their move from London to Amsterdam. Loss of status and 900 jobs for the UK.Frown


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The whole shabby, corrupt, self serving and dysfunctional EU and its bureaucrats summed up by one brave Dutch MEP earlier today.

https://youtu.be/-c5jsvV_hCw

Expect lots more of this after the Euro elections.
The rotten edifice is slowly imploding but the elites and their followers still can't see it.......Crazy


Sophie in t'Veld rants against the European Council, so the head of states, because she doesn't think the Council is taking enough political steps forward. She wants Mr Tusk to take more action.

She, and her party D66, are firm believers in European integration. From wikipedia: D66 favours a Federal Europe and more European cooperation on issues such as the environment, immigration policy, and foreign policy.

So I don't think she really supports your point.Tongue

On a side note, the European Medicines Agency is now starting their move from London to Amsterdam. Loss of status and 900 jobs for the UK.Frown


I take the opposite view Michael.
When the true believers can't agree amongst themselves it doesn't bode well for the future of the bloc.

The Italian budget crisis simply proves my point. The views of the citizens of Europe are simply disregarded by the Brussels nomenclatures.

The EU is facing existential problems that are currently approaching crisis levels and they have no real answers to these difficulties. If the Euro survives, which I very much doubt, then the whole economic model based on a federalist future will have to be rethought.

The economic model on which the EU was founded is broken and the UKs decision to resign its membership simply adds fuel to that particular fire.

If anyone can show me where a common currency zone without fiscal convergence has worked then I will reconsider my view. Until then I will remain implacably opposed to the EU and its clear resistance to change.

Should the UK/EU not cobble together a leave package that is acceptable to both then so be it. The economic damage that will follow, will in my view, be worth it to be free of the political aims of the EU.


mip
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The whole shabby, corrupt, self serving and dysfunctional EU and its bureaucrats summed up by one brave Dutch MEP earlier today.

https://youtu.be/-c5jsvV_hCw

Expect lots more of this after the Euro elections.
The rotten edifice is slowly imploding but the elites and their followers still can't see it.......Crazy


Sophie in t'Veld rants against the European Council, so the head of states, because she doesn't think the Council is taking enough political steps forward. She wants Mr Tusk to take more action.

She, and her party D66, are firm believers in European integration. From wikipedia: D66 favours a Federal Europe and more European cooperation on issues such as the environment, immigration policy, and foreign policy.

So I don't think she really supports your point.Tongue

On a side note, the European Medicines Agency is now starting their move from London to Amsterdam. Loss of status and 900 jobs for the UK.Frown


I take the opposite view Michael.
When the true believers can't agree amongst themselves it doesn't bode well for the future of the bloc.
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Debate and discussion is the way forward, it's a strength not a weakness. And it's obvious that 27 sovereign countries, with different local problems and challenges and different views, won't agree on things without serious and challenging discussions.

But doesn't it show that the EU isn't run by those "faceless bureaucrats" but by the countries, the head of states who discusses how to move ahead? And who, according to Ms in t'Veld (voted into the Parliament by the "liberal elite" Wink), doesn't move quickly enough and far enough.

There is, and will be, political discussions and political disagreements in EU. I take that as a strength.

But there is one thing that everyone amongst the EU27 agrees upon and that's the value of The Single Market. The Single Market is the golden egg that provides wealth for everyone. The latest big assessment in Denmark makes The Single Market worth 10% of our GDP.

And it's exactly The Single Market that UK want to undermine with the Chequers agreement. The UK has for almost two years been heading into a straight heads-on collision with EU on the one point where everyone in EU agrees.


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I'm sure that come May and the European wide elections we shall see a very different complexion emerge.

As you say discussion will remain the way forward but I believe any resistance to change the fundamentals that the EU is based on will see more not less disagreement. Even the arch Europhile Macron, currently experiencing less than enthusiasm for his internal policies, sees a two speed Europe emerging.

I believe history is on my side and doubtless you the same.
I can only see disagreement and fragmentation ahead for the EU.
Either way the UK will survive and prosper as a non member of the bloc.

Whether other nations choose to join us in our independent journey remains to be seen.


(This post was edited by Ronsdog on Oct 26, 2018, 11:43 AM)


mip
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I believe history is on my side and doubtless you the same.
I can only see disagreement and fragmentation ahead for the EU.
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I think the World is now in a situation of which the like has never been seen before. And whilst history and lessons learned from history are extremely important, I don't think history is a good pointer for how the future will develop.

Today we have a World connected globally in a way never seen before. Information travels at the speed of light (almost literally) and goods and people move around the World on a scale never seen before. The economy of the World is more entangled than ever before. The problems, challenges and opportunities this entails have never been encountered before. There are environmental challenges as well, plastic and more worryingly global warming. Again problems never encountered before.

These problems are global and need global solutions. For Europe to have a say on a global scale, we need to speak with one voice, which will then be a big voice that China, USA and Russia will have to listen to. Germany, UK, Poland, France shouting on their own won't make a difference.

I believe a European entity between countries who share common values and aims is the way forward. This doesn't eradicate the "national state" but it might redefine it and it plainly creates an entity where big and important challenges can be discussed, solutions found and executed.


(This post was edited by mip on Oct 26, 2018, 12:09 PM)


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I believe history is on my side and doubtless you the same.
I can only see disagreement and fragmentation ahead for the EU.
...


I think the World is now in a situation of which the like has never been seen before. And whilst history and lessons learned from history are extremely important, I don't think history is a good pointer for how the future will develop.

Today we have a World connected globally in a way never seen before. Information travels at the speed of light (almost literally) and goods and people move around the World on a scale never seen before. The economy of the World is more entangled than ever before. The problems, challenges and opportunities this entails have never been encountered before. There are environmental challenges as well, plastic and more worryingly global warming. Again problems never encountered before.

These problems are global and need global solutions. For Europe to have a say on a global scale, we need to speak with one voice, which will then be a big voice that China, USA and Russia will have to listen to. Germany, UK, Poland, France shouting on their own won't make a difference.

I believe a European entity between countries who share common values and aims is the way forward. This doesn't eradicate the "national state" but it might redefine it and it plainly creates an entity where big and important challenges can be discussed, solutions found and executed.



It amazes me how supposedly intelligent people are in such complete denial about the EU.
They know full well in their own minds all the faults and problems within and created by the EU and yet hold on to the myth of the progressive, benevolent, inclusive and democratic EU like a kid holds on to the belief that Santa exists long after they have learned the truth.

It would be funny if they weren't so dangerous.


jon b
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supposedly intelligent people


Let's take it that there are intelligent people on both sides of the debate. Most of us don't claim infallibility.

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(This post was edited by jon b on Oct 27, 2018, 12:10 AM)


jon b
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As a bit of light relief from the current handbag swinging, I bring to your attention the latest contribution to the Brexit process of Vince Cable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...uk-politics-45991267

If that's the best Vince can come up with, we can rest assured that currently, my lot, the Lib Dems, are just as utterly useless as HM Govt and HM Loyal Opposition. Unsure

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Yatesman
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As a bit of light relief from the current handbag swinging, I bring to your attention the latest contribution to the Brexit process of Vince Cable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...uk-politics-45991267

If that's the best Vince can come up with, we can rest assured that currently, my lot, the Lib Dems, are just as utterly useless as HM Govt and HM Loyal Opposition. Unsure

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Good point. I maybe should have said 'in other matters ' or 'otherwise' perfectly intelligent people'.

I've often thought Cable has no understanding of the scale of the utter nonsense that he spouts.......or worse, he's simply disingenuous!


jrev61
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Surely if Brexit was a threat to Strictly Come Dancing then more people would have voted to leaveSmile



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I believe the majority of Remain voters like myself were happy with the Status quo of remaining in the EU and could see more benefits being in rather than being out.

They didn't want to risk everything on a 3 legged Nag with no form, running in the 3.30 at Kempton Park!



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What do Status Quo think ?


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Down down deeper and down......



Where's the 'ignore this poster' button?


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Probably the same as me, read their manifesto and just said "I don't like What your proposing!"



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Sod it, Its Margherita Time!



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Chief Brexit Negotiator, Dominic Raab, admits that the UK is indeed an island close to France, something he had not previously taken note of.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1060480347555725312


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Chief Brexit Negotiator, Dominic Raab, admits that the UK is indeed an island close to France, something he had not previously taken note of.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1060480347555725312


I would argue that Great Britain is an island near France. The United Kingdom is a country that spans many lands, including Great Britain and Ireland.


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Chief Brexit Negotiator, Dominic Raab, admits that the UK is indeed an island close to France, something he had not previously taken note of.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1060480347555725312


I would argue that Great Britain is an island near France. The United Kingdom is a country that spans many lands, including Great Britain and Ireland.

A truly thrilling post


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He’s right, though.


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The second benefit of Brexit was recently announced to go alongside the shiny blue passport we will all be receiving. The introduction of the Brexit 50 pence piece!

Doesn't it make you thrilled to be leaving! Crazy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-46016359



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Doesn't it make you thrilled to be leaving! Crazy

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I would have thought a garland of barbed wire, with the slogan "Keep Out" to be more appropriate.



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Perhaps add a Trump card and electrify it ?






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The introduction of the Brexit 50 pence piece!

Doesn't it make you thrilled to be leaving! Crazy

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Brilliant ,“Friendship with all nations” on it, expect you preferred Peter Rabbit or Benjamin Bunny ?



Or 'the Snowman'?



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That's quite a resignation statement from Jo Johnson.

There can't be any wheels left on the Brexit bandwagon.

https://medium.com/...it-deal-3d289f95f2bc

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