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Is there a need for Step 7?

 



Yorkstar
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With the creation (chaos) of the new structure for Steps 3 - 6 from the FA, I am wondering if there still is needed a Step 7?

Most of these are county leagues, run by the CFA's. The grounds tend to be more fields than actual structures, and there are not many who facilities (at least in Yorkshire) which will enable promotion to Step 6 without significant funds.

Would it not be better to fill Step 6 leagues with any qualifying applicants, and then allow teams outside to apply to the FA to join Step 6 - the FA could investigate facilities, the playing record, etc and decide if suitable.

The current Step 7 clubs who do not want promotion can then concentrate on their football, not their facilities and the FA would save by not having to fund Step 7 (which costs them 3,000 per league + the grants). This money could be put back into CFA budgets and used differently.

Thoughts?


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Personally, I would scrap step 6, it adds unnecessary depth to the pyramid without sufficient width.

Imagine a scenario with 32 good quality county leagues, lots of local games and minimal travel. These could feed into 16 step 5 leagues. Requires a few of the smaller county leagues to come together, but would be my preferred solution.


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Agree . Should be regional leagues at step 5 & county leagues at step 6 . Some of the travelling clubs have to do at step 6 & 7 is ridiculous for clubs of their size .


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Personally, I would scrap step 6, it adds unnecessary depth to the pyramid without sufficient width.

Imagine a scenario with 32 good quality county leagues, lots of local games and minimal travel. These could feed into 16 step 5 leagues. Requires a few of the smaller county leagues to come together, but would be my preferred solution.


Bang on ! Could not agree more re this. More quality is required, less quantity.


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I quite agree with the sentiments, but would take it further. Below this step 6/7, every County should be expected to create its local pyramid with suitable numbers if steps/tiers and appropriate regionisation, so as every team had a firm promotion/relegation structure from the Premier League to the parks.

Gloucestershire had this set up thirty years ago (although I am not 100% sure it is still in place). There should not be a route to the leapfrog any level just because you have negotiated a ground with facilities



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pitch 63
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I quite agree with the sentiments, but would take it further. Below this step 6/7, every County should be expected to create its local pyramid with suitable numbers if steps/tiers and appropriate regionisation, so as every team had a firm promotion/relegation structure from the Premier League to the parks.

Gloucestershire had this set up thirty years ago (although I am not 100% sure it is still in place). There should not be a route to the leapfrog any level just because you have negotiated a ground with facilities


It's still in existence. Clubs have to start at the very bottom of the pyramid on parks pitches.


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Sussex has a long established pyramid. Eastbourne Borough are probably the best example of a club that has climbed from parks football to the National League.



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Carter
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There is probably a case in some arts of the country to remove Step from some leagues, particularly thise that have rarely if ever promoted anyone for what ever reason.
However there are some araes where there are very strong step 7 leagues, so it shouldnt be done across the board.


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Scrap step 6 ?
Oh dear, my lot at step 6 have spent almost 1 million pounds on upgrading their ground in the past 15 years, using grants and funding wherever possible. We are doing our utmost now to regain step 5 status on the pitch (suddenly there is only 1 promotion place available, maybe 2) and you want us to play at county level on fields with a rope surround. We turned down step 4 nine years ago, having unexpectedly won our step 5 league, on travel grounds and the costs involved. I pushed for promotion but the chairman was right, we could not afford it and a few years later the playing budget disappeared and relegation to step 6 followed. We did the right thing, spending it on the ground and now at long last we can afford to have a playing budget again you want to scrap our step six league and put us out to grass.

Too many steps I do agree but why sling clubs like mine at step 6 on the scrapheap and destroy our ambition?


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Scrap step 6 ?
Oh dear, my lot at step 6 have spent almost 1 million pounds on upgrading their ground in the past 15 years, using grants and funding wherever possible. We are doing our utmost now to regain step 5 status on the pitch (suddenly there is only 1 promotion place available, maybe 2) and you want us to play at county level on fields with a rope surround. We turned down step 4 nine years ago, having unexpectedly won our step 5 league, on travel grounds and the costs involved. I pushed for promotion but the chairman was right, we could not afford it and a few years later the playing budget disappeared and relegation to step 6 followed. We did the right thing, spending it on the ground and now at long last we can afford to have a playing budget again you want to scrap our step six league and put us out to grass.

Too many steps I do agree but why sling clubs like mine at step 6 on the scrapheap and destroy our ambition?


Oooh this is like a game.

Are we talking Winterton Rangers here?


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Programme editor for them it appears


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I quite agree with the sentiments, but would take it further. Below this step 6/7, every County should be expected to create its local pyramid with suitable numbers if steps/tiers and appropriate regionisation, so as every team had a firm promotion/relegation structure from the Premier League to the parks.

Gloucestershire had this set up thirty years ago (although I am not 100% sure it is still in place). There should not be a route to the leapfrog any level just because you have negotiated a ground with facilities


It's still in existence. Clubs have to start at the very bottom of the pyramid on parks pitches.


Ah yes I remember watching AFC Liverpool in the I-Zingari Combination.

Oh and remember that time when the masses turned up to watch AFC Wimbledon's first ever match in the Wimbledon & District League's bottom division.

And when Gresley played in the Midlands Regional Alliance.


(This post was edited by Sarumio on Nov 5, 2018, 9:59 AM)


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I quite agree with the sentiments, but would take it further. Below this step 6/7, every County should be expected to create its local pyramid with suitable numbers if steps/tiers and appropriate regionisation, so as every team had a firm promotion/relegation structure from the Premier League to the parks.

Gloucestershire had this set up thirty years ago (although I am not 100% sure it is still in place). There should not be a route to the leapfrog any level just because you have negotiated a ground with facilities[/r

It's still in existence. Clubs have to start at the very bottom of the pyramid on parks pitches.


Ah yes I remember watching AFC Liverpool in the I-Zingari Combination.

Oh and remember that time when the masses turned up to watch AFC Wimbledon's first ever match in the Wimbledon & District League's bottom division.

And when Gresley played in the Midlands Regional Alliance.


Read again. Pitch63 is talking about Gloucestershire. Where the pyramid works....


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To be fair, I don't see this as slinging ambitious step 6 clubs on the scrapheap. There would still be promotion to Step 5 and the 'county' leagues would be of considerably higher standard than at present, with each (if there were 32) receiving an average of 10-11 clubs (ie more than 50% of the league) from the current Step 6.


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Ah yes I remember watching AFC Liverpool in the I-Zingari Combination.


So you watched AFC Liverpool playing in a Gloucestershire League where they were the only team. Impressive. Did they win ?


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Down in Cornwall and Devon, Steps 6 and 7 are very much needed. The step 6 teams are significantly stronger. If teams such as Wendron, Bude and Ludgvan were put in the same league as Falmouth, Saltash and St Austell were then there would be many lopsided score lines and interest would wane.


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Down in Cornwall and Devon, Steps 6 and 7 are very much needed. The step 6 teams are significantly stronger. If teams such as Wendron, Bude and Ludgvan were put in the same league as Falmouth, Saltash and St Austell were then there would be many lopsided score lines and interest would wane.


Yet that's sort of what the FA are pushing through for next season.


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Not yet unless you have a area with less than a dozen teams in a step 7 division. In the north east there are two step 7 leagues with a few wearside league clubs having grounds to play higher up the pyramid. If and when a new north east/Yorkshire step 4 division is formed step 7 leagues in the area may loose a few clubs. Would be a few years before step 7 in the region would be scrapped if ever. Also if there was no step 7 the same clubs at step 6 could finish bottom every other year like they did before step 7 was part of the pyramid and make things really boring.



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Still an issue in SSML Prem. The bottom 3 last season were Oxhey Jets, Cockfosters and Stotfold and none of them were relegated. So far this season Stotfold haven't won a league game and were knocked out the North Beds Charity Cup by a Div 1 team and the League Challenge Trophy by a Div 2 team.


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Still an issue in SSML Prem. The bottom 3 last season were Oxhey Jets, Cockfosters and Stotfold and none of them were relegated. So far this season Stotfold haven't won a league game and were knocked out the North Beds Charity Cup by a Div 1 team and the League Challenge Trophy by a Div 2 team.


And the team directly above Stotfold is,,,,Cockfosters!


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Indeed! Cockfosters are slightly more in touch with those above.

 
 


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