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windydcfc
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May 26, 2019, 10:17 PM

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still begs a question knowing they need 23 teams in this scenario why didn't they prevent any teams going down this year (the 6 bottom step 6 who didn't fail the ground grading) so they wouldn't need as many next year and would have a better chance of meeting the target of getting each division with 20 teams in. and allowing for relegations next year. now they may struggle to get each division at step 6 upto 20. Could they use the demise of Gateshead as an excuse to re look at the leagues and possibly reprieve the 6?



I think the F.A. will use it to promote Frimley Green & leave Northallerton at step 5. Even though Cheltenham Saracens are next in the queue. But it’s too late for them to appeal.


kivo
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May 26, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Step 6 needs addressing.

We're inching towards a true pyramid, with 1-2-4-8-16 only two years away, but instead of 32 divisions at Step 6 there will only be 17 - with that number having been reduced!

From Step 1 to Step 2 there's a 100% increase in divisions (1 to 2)
From Step 2 to Step 3 there's a 100% increase in divisions (2 to 4)
From Step 3 to Step 4 there will be a 100% increase in divisions (4 to 8)
From Step 4 to Step 5 there will be a 100% increase in divisions (8 to 16)
Yet from Step 5 to Step 6 there will only be a 6.25% increase in divisions (16 to 17)

The leap from Step 7 to Step 6 is huge!

Relax ground grading rules at Step 6 and have more divisions, it makes sense.


(This post was edited by kivo on May 26, 2019, 11:05 PM)


windydcfc
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May 26, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Step 6 needs addressing.

We're inching towards a true pyramid, with 1-2-4-8-16 only two years away, but instead of 32 divisions at Step 6 there will only be 17 - with that number having been reduced!

From Step 1 to Step 2 there's a 100% increase in divisions (1 to 2)
From Step 2 to Step 3 there's a 100% increase in divisions (2 to 4)
From Step 3 to Step 4 there will be a 100% increase in divisions (4 to 8)
From Step 4 to Step 5 there will be a 100% increase in divisions (8 to 16)
Yet from Step 5 to Step 6 there will only be a 6.25% increase in divisions (16 to 17)

The leap from Step 7 to Step 6 is huge!

Relax ground grading rules at Step 6 and have more divisions, it makes sense.



The league’s and clubs at step 6 don’t want a relaxation of the ground grading requirements.


Richard Rundle
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May 27, 2019, 9:38 AM

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still begs a question knowing they need 23 teams in this scenario why didn't they prevent any teams going down this year (the 6 bottom step 6 who didn't fail the ground grading) so they wouldn't need as many next year and would have a better chance of meeting the target of getting each division with 20 teams in. and allowing for relegations next year. now they may struggle to get each division at step 6 upto 20. Could they use the demise of Gateshead as an excuse to re look at the leagues and possibly reprieve the 6?


The target for Step 6 isn't 20. Its 18-20. They should have been more brutal this year and relegated ALL the clubs that finished bottom at Step 6.


pokal02
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May 27, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Step 6 will now (outside the SW) essentially be the same as Step 5 in terms of costs. I think the FA should therefore find a way for all Step 6 teams excluding reserves to enter the FA Cup. Whether that is forcing the Conf Nat sides to enter at 3Q, or all Step 4/5/6 sides to enter at EP, or something else I don't know.


Unicorn
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May 27, 2019, 10:46 AM

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still begs a question knowing they need 23 teams in this scenario why didn't they prevent any teams going down this year (the 6 bottom step 6 who didn't fail the ground grading) so they wouldn't need as many next year and would have a better chance of meeting the target of getting each division with 20 teams in. and allowing for relegations next year. now they may struggle to get each division at step 6 upto 20. Could they use the demise of Gateshead as an excuse to re look at the leagues and possibly reprieve the 6?


The target for Step 6 isn't 20. Its 18-20. They should have been more brutal this year and relegated ALL the clubs that finished bottom at Step 6.


I feel that you should always go for the maximum it gives you more room to manoeuvre.
Plenty of time to take the hardline when everything is in place.
Why make things more difficult.


keneastlancs
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May 27, 2019, 11:22 AM

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still begs a question knowing they need 23 teams in this scenario why didn't they prevent any teams going down this year (the 6 bottom step 6 who didn't fail the ground grading) so they wouldn't need as many next year and would have a better chance of meeting the target of getting each division with 20 teams in. and allowing for relegations next year. now they may struggle to get each division at step 6 upto 20. Could they use the demise of Gateshead as an excuse to re look at the leagues and possibly reprieve the 6?


The target for Step 6 isn't 20. Its 18-20. They should have been more brutal this year and relegated ALL the clubs that finished bottom at Step 6.

Why more brutal and relegate more? just mean they would have to bring in more from step 7 next year and there may not be enough clubs elligable to do so.


Richard Rundle
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May 27, 2019, 11:43 AM

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Why more brutal and relegate more? just mean they would have to bring in more from step 7 next year and there may not be enough clubs elligable to do so.


Because if you finish bottom you deserve to get relegated.

I don't care if there is a space or two left if there isn't enough clubs from below coming up, if you're going to have rewards for finishing top of a division, there should equally be punishment for finishing bottom.


Mike S
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May 27, 2019, 12:33 PM

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I think what you are relegated into is relevant

Step 6 to step 7 is possibly the biggest drop in football. Not to bad maybe if you drop into Wearside or Central Midlands or from Hellenic to Glos County but eg Walton and Horsham to Surrey Elite, Croydon to Kent, or anyone from the North West to feeders


Unicorn
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May 27, 2019, 12:59 PM

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I think what you are relegated into is relevant

Step 6 to step 7 is possibly the biggest drop in football. Not to bad maybe if you drop into Wearside or Central Midlands or from Hellenic to Glos County but eg Walton and Horsham to Surrey Elite, Croydon to Kent, or anyone from the North West to feeders


Croydon are going to SCE Div One. They fall from Step 5.


keneastlancs
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May 27, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Why more brutal and relegate more? just mean they would have to bring in more from step 7 next year and there may not be enough clubs elligable to do so.


Because if you finish bottom you deserve to get relegated.

I don't care if there is a space or two left if there isn't enough clubs from below coming up, if you're going to have rewards for finishing top of a division, there should equally be punishment for finishing bottom.

I agree but the rules were relaxed this season and that is what is wrong that the 'wrong' teams have been relegated - either relegate all bottom or do it on ppg not because more teams can come in from step 7 in the north east/north west than from the Hellenic feeders who have little or no one available to be promoted.


Unicorn
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May 27, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Why more brutal and relegate more? just mean they would have to bring in more from step 7 next year and there may not be enough clubs elligable to do so.


Because if you finish bottom you deserve to get relegated.

I don't care if there is a space or two left if there isn't enough clubs from below coming up, if you're going to have rewards for finishing top of a division, there should equally be punishment for finishing bottom.


Maybe that's true.
But why would the LC want to make things more difficult for themselves.
Get it done as easily and quickly as possible.
Start being hardline when the divisions are set up the way they want them.


CanalEnder
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Jun 7, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2019/20 [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Non-League projections for 20/21? surely due a thread and spreadsheet?


(This post was edited by CanalEnder on Jun 7, 2019, 12:09 PM)


Lionarm
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Jun 7, 2019, 12:30 PM

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Yeah, just a little premature with quite a lot of 19/20 up in the air.
Personally I don't really look at them until towards the very end of the season.




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windydcfc
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Jun 7, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Rob’s(wazzafan) already knocked one up. I guess it’s up to him when he starts the thread. It’s usually sometime in October when he releases it though.


CanalEnder
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Jun 7, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Yes, my original post was just a tad tongue-in-cheek tbh. However, I think you can see the way the wind is blowing in most leagues after 10 games - you can pretty much guarantee who the top 5 will be, the bottom five and which clubs will be middle order come the end of the season - there will be the odd meteoric run from mid-table to champions (like our (WTFC) 22 game winning run last season) - but they are the exception to the rule and generally speaking after 10 games you can see who will be in the mix and who won't.


(This post was edited by CanalEnder on Jun 7, 2019, 1:20 PM)


swjoduk
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Jun 12, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Wazza, are your maps no longer working? Google Map Link seems to be dead?


wazzafan
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Jun 12, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Maps are still working but I have noticed Google Maps crashing on me a few times this morning once I've opened a map.



Non League Projections - 2018/19: http://goo.gl/5UvkvE

Step 1: http://goo.gl/9QipfY
Step 2: http://goo.gl/VoE1oY
Step 3: http://goo.gl/Ru3jUk
Step 4: http://goo.gl/QHVmDA
Step 5: http://goo.gl/VrnrYg
Step 6: http://goo.gl/Mk86of


swjoduk
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Jun 12, 2019, 1:42 PM

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They are back working now, thanks


alan hindle
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Jun 13, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Sorry wazzafan but shouldn't Aldershot Town be in pink as they have been reprieved in the National League Step One.


wazzafan
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Jun 18, 2019, 1:33 PM

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All updated (Hopefully for the last time!) following the Hellenic announcement.

On to next year...



Non League Projections - 2018/19: http://goo.gl/5UvkvE

Step 1: http://goo.gl/9QipfY
Step 2: http://goo.gl/VoE1oY
Step 3: http://goo.gl/Ru3jUk
Step 4: http://goo.gl/QHVmDA
Step 5: http://goo.gl/VrnrYg
Step 6: http://goo.gl/Mk86of

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