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mick
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Oct 10, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Maybe best not to ask them what they think of the rail unions..


Ask them what they think of the train company fat cats then.


Sale Holmfield
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Northern Trains are actually in a sequence of seven consecutive Saturday strikes over Driver Only Operated trains, with possibly more to come. I think the idea is that it will upset the managers more, who have to cover the strikes, by making them have to work on weekends, and also have more of an effect on Northern's income by discouraging discretionary travel, as I have heard it called.

The RMT members haven't had a ballot for a while, so I can only assume they are content with their regular loss of wages, while their strike action seems to be having no effect. Possibly, they are hoping to brave it out until a Labour government comes in, who can revoke Northern's franchise on the grounds of incompetence - there are still regular Sunday cancellations, although it was a condition of their franchise that they should implement DOO. In the meantime, though, people will find other ways to travel.

I still think Northern are the worst company!


jon b
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Oct 11, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Maybe best not to ask them what they think of the rail unions..


Ask them what they think of the train company fat cats then.


Owners/Unions whatever.

Unsurprisingly, UK trains don't feature in their future travel plans.

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PaulC
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Oct 11, 2018, 1:54 PM

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Of course, the right wing media, batting for the Tories and business, have always protrayed Trades Union as pariahs. Sadly too many working people have bought that lie.

The job of the right wing media, and the purpose of the Tory party is simply to convince the majority of the electorate to act against their own interests.


steveking
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Oct 11, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Maybe best not to ask them what they think of the rail unions..


Ask them what they think of the train company fat cats then.


Owners/Unions whatever.

Unsurprisingly, UK trains don't feature in their future travel plans.

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The point being made was that it is not always the fault of a union when a strike occurs. We slip too easily into that assumption prompted, as Paul suggests, by a biased press.


Matty
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Oct 11, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Of course, the right wing media, batting for the Tories and business, have always protrayed Trades Union as pariahs. Sadly too many working people have bought that lie.

The job of the right wing media, and the purpose of the Tory party is simply to convince the majority of the electorate to act against their own interests.

I partially agree, PaulC what I found is an an ex union rep
Not enough members
Too many self interested people increasingly so
No one with balls anymore, apologies to to the ladies or gender neutral, women
Intimidation on a more subtle scale allowed
See how whistleblowers are treated.
In a previous job 98% voted against pay and conditions deals, after threats got through
The was a water company who directors pay were sky rocketing
People have no solidarity, and personnel, human resources know it and use divide and conquer tactics
Afraid the culture has changed, people are more selfish


jon b
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Oct 11, 2018, 8:22 PM

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I think you misunderstand Steve, you're preaching to the converted, obviously I didn't express matters well.

I was a trade union member for 42 years and took part in industrial action, marches through London etc When I first started work everyone in my workplace, as far as I know, was a member of a trade union. It wasn't a closed shop but memories were still strong of how individuals needed to band together to defend their rights.

Then along came Margaret Hilda and stamped all over us.......

By the time I retired from work I was pretty much a lone voice crying in the wilderness, hardly any of my then colleagues was in a union. Whenever I had the opportunity I explained to a new starter why being in a trade union was important. Sometimes they took note but most had absolutely no idea what a trade union was all about and why they should join one.

As for the train travellers, I think they simply saw that they'd relied on the train operators & their employees and been let down by both.

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(This post was edited by jon b on Oct 11, 2018, 8:40 PM)


steveking
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I think you misunderstand Steve, you're preaching to the converted, obviously I didn't express matters well.
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Apologies. I was surprised given what I know of your other posts so perhaps I should have known better.


cherryhopper
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Oct 11, 2018, 11:26 PM

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As well as worst train company, how about the worst trade union? South-West Trains has just announced more strikes for November, all on Saturdays. I thought that, historically, the point of a strike was to damage the economy by only striking on working days and therefore win concessions from the government, however it now seems that times have changed and this particular union just wants to ruin people's weekends.

They have also announced a five day strike during half term week from Tuesday 23rd to Saturday 27th October. I've worked out that I can get to Cherries' game at Fulham that day avoiding Southwestern completely by taking the Crosscountry service to Reading, GWR to Paddington and District Line to Putney Bridge. The website no longer mentions the scheduled strike this Saturday 13th so you maybe lucky the next two weekends.


jon b
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Oct 12, 2018, 12:47 AM

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I think you misunderstand Steve, you're preaching to the converted, obviously I didn't express matters well.
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Apologies. I was surprised given what I know of your other posts so perhaps I should have known better.


The apologies are mine Steve. You, Mick and Paul made perfectly reasonable assumptions based on my posts.

Hopefully, a learning curve for me.

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broodleyhoo
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Oct 12, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Entirely agree here. As a union member also for the 30 or so years I worked in a large workplace I can only echo the sentiments about how the ideas of working together for common betterment have been usurped by an "I'm allright Jack" mentality.

Actually to watch that film now, it has gone from being a frivolous comedy to a quite telling piece of social commentary.

Of course all the tales about striking for daft reasons and some officials getting kickbacks that they shouldn't are true - but the way that those tales have been used to besmirch the idea of working together for the common good whilst equally scandalous tales of those who run companies pulling crazy strokes and making off with the moolah are encouraged (aka the Apprentice) is hugely depressing.

Getting back to the point of the thread, of course you can see the attraction of cutting costs by removing guards. Of course for a huge amount of time the guard's role is superfluous...but no one's suggesting we follow the same logic and get rid of the fire brigade because they are hardly ever called out to fires these days.

We are increasingly living in a time when the price of something is more important than the value of something.


nico
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As well as worst train company, how about the worst trade union? South-West Trains has just announced more strikes for November, all on Saturdays. I thought that, historically, the point of a strike was to damage the economy by only striking on working days and therefore win concessions from the government, however it now seems that times have changed and this particular union just wants to ruin people's weekends.


They were striking on Sat 1 Sept, Sat 8 Sept, Sat 15 Sept. but I still got out from London to Sandhurst Town {1st}, Frimley Green {8th}, Eversley & California {15th} using SWR's trains, so the RMT's strike action didn't ruin any of my weekends! Tongue



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