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Are there any other potential members who have applied for Step 6, but may fail on ground grading or over subscription of the division?
Seeing as there is a maximum of 8 (50%) reserve teams in the new division, and that there are 9 reserve applicants at "Priority 2", it seems that it is not possible for lower reserves to get in - and also that the new league will be heavily dependent on reserve teams on day 1. While we cannot be certain that all Priority 2 first teams can meet the grading, reserve teams have a free ride here as the ground is at the higher standard required for their first team



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Sorry for the typing (currently in Tunisia!) but this has to be the biggest carve up in Cornish football history.

Newquay reserves? A team at step 9 applying for step 7? They were tanked 2 seasons ago in the combo step 8 and rather go down to Trelawny they took the step down to Ecpl div 1. Now they want step 7? Laughable.

The ECPL has had to take teams from Devon to survive at step 8 and is top heavy with reserve teams- hence why only Polperro appear as a stand-alone team.

Perhaps I’m alone in this but if you’re step 6 SWPL currently your reserves don’t get step 7 status. That rule has clearly gone.

We’re seeing teams for fitting games for travelling - Cornwall senior cup is the biggest show of that but oh no , let’s shoehorn another league in.

It’s a joke FA. And not a funny one at that.


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Sorry for the typing (currently in Tunisia!) but this has to be the biggest carve up in Cornish football history.

Newquay reserves? A team at step 9 applying for step 7? They were tanked 2 seasons ago in the combo step 8 and rather go down to Trelawny they took the step down to Ecpl div 1. Now they want step 7? Laughable.

The ECPL has had to take teams from Devon to survive at step 8 and is top heavy with reserve teams- hence why only Polperro appear as a stand-alone team.

Perhaps I’m alone in this but if you’re step 6 SWPL currently your reserves don’t get step 7 status. That rule has clearly gone.



Newquay reserves aren't "Step 9" because Step 9 doesn't exist. Any club, anywhere in the country, can apply to join the NLS at Step 7. Whether they get in of course is another matter.

There looks to be plenty of clubs/teams from Priority 1 and 2 (plus any that miss out on Step 6) for that to be a moot point.

First teams at Step 6 and reserves at Step 7 is perfectly acceptable under existing NLS regulations but there are few examples currently extant.

The one regulation that does seem to have been bent here is that this league can have 50% reserve sides, while across the rest of Step 7 I believe the limit is 25%.

I don't think this reorganisation is needed, but it's going to happen.


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Thanks Richard, I get your comments.

It’s a strong comment However to say, that given the mess of the earlier rounds of the CSC (Cornwall Senior Cup) with cancelling teams- including Perranporth at the top 5 of the Combo at present, the near rugby scores at the bottom of SWPL 1W, that this is one reorganisation too far. If Devon can have 2 new step 7 leagues the simpler and easier solution would be have the Cornwall Combo and ECPL ( reorganised back to 1 league) feeding into the new step 6 SWPL West?

Or is it now a case that teams in the Duchy/Trewlaney have an extra barrier to overcome from August 2019?

It’ll be interesting to see who have applied to Step 6 - I have a feeling that they’ll be a surprise or two who won’t have applied and will drop accordingly to the ‘feeders’.

One team prior to pulling out earlier of SWPL 1E Apppedore must have been thinking this way.

We’ll see but the mess made by the FA on this destroys the hard, loyal work of the old SWL and Devon County League to form the SWPL.

I remain unconvinced. Utterly unconvinced.


(This post was edited by philglossop on Jan 25, 2019, 7:11 PM)


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Phil's post on the SWP League forum says that the other 9 Cornish D1W sides have applied for Step 6, in current placing order Liskeard, Porthleven, St Dennis, Wadebridge, Mousehole, Penzance, Wendron, Dobwalls & St Blazey, and that 13 of the places in the new SWP West are reserved for current Step 6 clubs, i.e. all 13 Cornish clubs in the current Premier.

That means that there won't be room for all the Step 6 applicants unless the likes of Launceston, Saltash or Torpoint for instance shift across to the new SWP East.

I'm with you on a lot of the things you say, the refusal to travel in the Senior Cup over the last two seasons has been shambolic, but perhaps a sad reflection of the general lack of interest in cup football all told, and that this re-organisation is a backward step.


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I wonder whether this is all part of a process by the FA to encourage Cornwall and Devon clubs to participate in the NLS at a higher level than the current SWPL top division?
This could tie in with the Hellenic League Prem Div moving further west to take in Herefordshire and Gloucestershire (including north Bristol). The London suburban clubs to be incorporated into London centric leagues together with some from the Thames Valley area?
The SWPL top division has been dominated by Cornwall and western Devon clubs so blocking a potential route for other Devon clubs to step up to the current Western League at Step 5. By forming a north and east Devon Step 6 division this cuts out many strong club from further west from blocking their progress.
Eventually the current Step 5 Western League could lose its' Bristol clubs altogether to the Hellenic Step 5 with these clubs, in effect, replaced by current Step 6 Cornish based clubs as they realise that Step 5 has moved so far towards them that they can realistically make the move up to Step 5 too.
Just a thought.


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In parallel with the Cornish announcement above, the Devon FA have made a similar announcement

“Expressions of Interest” Received for Step 7

Current Step 7
Alphington*. Bere Alston United, Brixham*, Honiton Town*. Liverton United. Plymstock United. St Martins*, Stoke Gabriel*, Teignmouth, Torridgeside, University of Exeter, Waldon Athletic

(* Also applied for Step 6)

Devon & Exeter League
Beer Albion, Clyst Valley, Colyton, Cronies, Exmouth Town res, Exwick Villa, Feniton, Heavitree United, Newtown, Topsham Town, Upottery, Witheridge, Hatherleigh Town, Kentisbeare, Sidmouth Tn res, Axminster Tn res, Ottery St Mary

North Devon League
Braunton, Fremington, Park United, Shamwickshire Rovers, Torrington

Plymouth & West Devon League
Lakeside Athletic, Plympton Athletic, Horrabridge Rangers, Elburton Villa res

South Devon League
Ashburton, Buckland Athletic res, Chudleigh Athletic, Dartmouth, East Allington United, Kingsteington Athletic, Paignton Villa, Roselands, Totnes & Dartington, Watcombe Wanderers, Bovey Tracey res, Ivybridge Town res, Newton Abbot 66, Paington Saints, Torbay Police, Ipplepen Athletic, Stoke Gabriel res

East Cornwall & Others
Tavistock res, Cullompton res, Pro Direct Academy (no I don't know who they are either)


A pleasantly surprising large number of clubs expressing an interest.


Whoops, forgot to add the source - https://twitter.com/devon_fa/status/1089139270500139008


(This post was edited by Richard Rundle on Jan 28, 2019, 8:16 PM)


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Pro Direct Academy appear to be a national setup. The Devon base is at South Devon College, Eight Acre Drive, White Rock, Paignton, TQ4 7TP.


Home page for Pro Direct here :-


https://www.prodirectacademy.com/


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To complete the picture, the SWP have now issued a statement regarding the Step 6 divisions:

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Due to lots of queries in the past few days following the statements issued by both Devon & Cornwall FA’s regarding Step 7 next season, I want to make a short statement on behalf of the SWP just to update on where we are at:

“ The SWP is on course to run the two Step 6 Divisions next season, Premier East & Premier West, and have received sufficient entries to think that both divisions will be viable with a geographic split of East / West which will be at, or very near, the Devon & Cornwall border. Precise details cannot be published just yet as we are waiting on two matters:

1- We have a meeting with the FA Leagues Chairman & Leagues Manager (Ray Lewis & Laurence Jones) on Wednesday 6th February where some items will aim to be clarified.
2- Of the 5 Priority groups of applicant clubs we are having to wait on progress from group 4 – clubs in East & West who have applied for Step 6 but who do not currently have planning permission and dispensation packages all agreed, these clubs have until March 31st to achieve this, so we are faced with having to wait to see how many achieve or fail to achieve the requirements before looking at whether we have enough clubs internally, whether lateral movement maybe necessary and/or whether those clubs not currently in the SWP (several unnamed clubs have indicated they may want to play at Step 6 rather than Step 7) can be considered to fill any vacancies.

We can however say is that there are spaces for all clubs that currently play at Step 6 (group 1), all Step 7 clubs with a G & H Ground Grading (group 2) and all clubs with Planning permissions and dispensation packages in place (group 3).

We hope to be in a position to issue a fuller statement and start the process of inspecting grounds from clubs that do not already have an FA grading certificate, after the meeting with the FA on February 6th. “

Regards

Philip Hiscox (League Secretary)"


Source : http://www.swpleague.co.uk/forumhome/topic/step-6-update-january-29th/


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The SWP League today released the following statement regarding the restructuring into two step 6 divisions for next season: http://www.swpleague.co.uk/...ucture-Statement.pdf

As can be seen, 45 expressions of interest were received, and clubs now need to submit their formal applications by the end of the month. Slight surprise (to me at least) that Plymouth Argyle Reserves, unlike all other current premier division clubs, did not submit an EOI so presumably won't be submitting an application.


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With Devon FA pitch about to be switched into 4G Argyle are leaving at the end of the season and will probably play a more community based team at Step 7 from the new Manadon hub that has both grass (non floodlit) and 4G (floodlit) pitches but nothing in the way of Step 6 spectator facilities.

Argyle meanwhile have started entering again midweek Premiership and EFL / Central type reserve comps / Under 23 groups etc.



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So with 32 teams in groups 1 & 2 am I right in assuming that, subject to ground grading etc and no-one dropping out, 8 teams will be accepted from group 3?

How would this be decided from the 11 applicants if more than 8 pass ground grading, would this be on league position/PPG or by some sort of election?


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I have been asked to clarify the procedure for who gets In and does not – The situation is :

All clubs in Groups 1 & 2 will be allocated a space as they meet either the G Grade (the normal Step 6 requirement) OR the H Grade which is the normal entry level to join Step 6 (ordinarily clubs then have 1 season to reach G, but under the re-structure clubs have two years). There are more than enough spaces for ALL clubs in Groups 1 & 2. The only provisos are that a club may be promoted to Step 5 which may increase the remaining spaces available and at the bottom end clubs must not finish in a relegation position in East or West and must fulfil their obligations for the current season.
Clubs in Group 3 – These do not meet H in full as they do not have lights installed, the next level down from H is to have all that is reqd for H except floodlighting. As no club in Group 3 has lights installed they must have planning permission granted by March 31st. Without stating which clubs in Group 3 do or do not have it granted, I can say some already have it granted, some I know have applied to the local authority for planning permission and that may (or may not) be resolved by March 31st and some clubs have not provided documentation regarding planning at this time. Spaces will be allocated after March 31st based on those that DO HAVE planning, it may be that too many clubs have planning in which case Points Per Game across East & West would decide. It maybe that just the right number have planning in which case that is clear cut, and it maybe that not enough have planning granted. In which case :
Should less than 40 spaces be filled the FA have allowed floodlit clubs, who are first teams, who are in the Top Divisions of the local leagues to be in Group 4. Two named are Dartmouth & Torrington but it is possible that others can still formally apply by February 28th. If the number of spaces remaining are less than the number of clubs in this group 4 then points per game in their local league would be used. But again without knowing how many spaces exactly will be filled by groups 1 to 3 it is at best an educated guess as to whether Group 4 will be needed and how many needed, whilst its possible we will be oversubscribed, it is also possible that we end up slightly short of 40, in which case the FA and the League would have to decide if thats a 20 and a 19, 2 x 19’s, a 20 and an 18 etc etc – geography as well as even splits would be taken into account at that time.
Hopefully that gives an insight – the advice remains though:

OFF THE PITCH – you need planing permission to be granted etc.

ON THE PITCH – If you are in groups 3 or 4 it “may” come down to points per game, so keep winning football matches !!!



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