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Andy D
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Rylands, themselves having benefitted from Wythenshawe Amateurs withdrawing from the 1st Qualifying Round, have themselves been removed from the competition due to a lack of floodlights. The FA have stated that neither club should have been accepted as entries in this season's competition as lights were not installed prior to the entry deadline. Hemsworth Miners Welfare therefore get a bye into the 1st Round Proper



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Newark Flowserve not at all happy about their last minute removal from the competition for the same reason: https://pbs.twimg.com/...t=jpg&name=large


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Newark Flowserve not at all happy about their last minute removal from the competition for the same reason: https://pbs.twimg.com/...t=jpg&name=large


This should not be any shock to anyone and the FA to be fair have been very lenient by not refusing entry in the first place.

The rule states " Clubs must have a ground which conforms to a “H” grade of The FA National Ground Grading (appropriate to Step 6 of The FA National League System) or higher.

Grading "H" states "1.12 Floodlighting
Floodlights must be provided to an average lux reading of at least 120. No single reading can be less than one quarter of the highest reading so as to ensure an even spread of light. NB When installing a new system, clubs are advised to check any planning restrictions for its use.
Reading shall be on a grid of 88 markings (8 across, 11 down) evenly spaced with the outside readings falling on the pitch boundary line taken 2.5 metres inside from the touchline. The average of all the readings is taken to be the average illumination level in lux of the floodlighting installation.
The lux values must be tested every two years in accordance with current guidelines by an approved independent contractor. Floodlights must be retested after any significant alterations. Existing certification will be accepted provided that the test was carried out within the last two years unless work has been carried out at the ground which may have affected previous readings.
It is also recommended that at the same time as testing the lights clubs also test the electrical supply within the ground to ensure that the system complies with current electrical standards and request a visual inspection of the columns for signs of corrosion, fatigue and overloading.

An example of an “approved” contractor is one which is in possession of the NICEIC (National Inspection Council for Electrical Installation Contracting) Approved Contractors Award or ISO 9000/BS 5750 (International Standards/British Standards) or is a member of the Electrical Contractors' Association. Alternatively, it can be a contractor deemed acceptable by the league.
The contractor must, when detailing the lux values, give confirmation in writing of the date when the illumination test equipment used was last calibrated.
When new or improved installations are being planned, the lighting procured must meet BS 12193 Class 2 and have an average lux reading of at least 200."

This should be in place at the time of the application closing date of 1st April 2018.

Unfortunately these clubs have conditional "H" grades that they need to have fully functional floodlights by the end of September or be removed from Step 6. So if these clubs feel they have been let down, they need to go to the source of the information that told them that they can enter.

Sounds harsh, but its not the FA fault and you could question the role of the County FA's who should confirm the lights was in place as of 1st April 2018 to enter the competition to the FA (or the use too).


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The press is reporting that the Vase deadline to get the lights in was the end of July, something the club apparently wasn't aware of:
http://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/...turns-into-nightmare

I don't know who's right and who's wrong but it's very poor that something like this isn't acted upon until a week before the ties are due to be played.


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Sounds harsh, but its not the FA fault and you could question the role of the County FA's who should confirm the lights was in place as of 1st April 2018 to enter the competition to the FA (or the use too).


Of course it's partly the FA's fault, if the grounds were not in posession of the correct grading, the clubs' entries should have been rejected at entry stage, not now we're at the end of August.


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The press is reporting that the Vase deadline to get the lights in was the end of July, something the club apparently wasn't aware of:
http://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/...turns-into-nightmare

I don't know who's right and who's wrong but it's very poor that something like this isn't acted upon until a week before the ties are due to be played.


The rules are clear you have to have a grade H to apply, the closing date was 1st April 2018, no mention of any exceptions to the rules. Where does it state "End of July"?


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In the link I posted.
"But the Football Association has ruled that the East Midlands Counties League club did not install its floodlights before the end of July — a deadline the club was not made aware of."


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In the link I posted.
"But the Football Association has ruled that the East Midlands Counties League club did not install its floodlights before the end of July — a deadline the club was not made aware of."


You link is to a newspaper article, try this one;

http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/feb/23/fa-competitions-online-applications-2018-19-season


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Yes, that's what I said. And no, I'm not looking at your link because I assume it's what you've already cut and pasted.

We don't know who's to blame for the misunderstandings along the way but it's very poor of the FA to only be acting upon this a week before the match. It was hardly a state secret that the club didn't have lights at either April or July so there's no excuse.


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Yes, that's what I said. And no, I'm not looking at your link because I assume it's what you've already cut and pasted.

We don't know who's to blame for the misunderstandings along the way but it's very poor of the FA to only be acting upon this a week before the match. It was hardly a state secret that the club didn't have lights at either April or July so there's no excuse.


The link is not what I posted earlier Paul.

Totally agree that the FA departments are not working together, to allow promotion to Step 6 a grading questionnaire would have been submitted for promotion that would state the lights are not up. For entry to leagues it is accepted that you have until end of September to have lights up and fully working for promotion so long as the rest of grade "H" is achieved. Clearly this information has not been shared in the FA, and the timing is poor.

The reality is, if the clubs hadn't applied, then the FA don't have a decision to make.


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Indeed. Still curious what relevance, if any, July has in all this though.


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With Blyth AFC's demise, then surely that must mean Crook Town receive a walkover and the place in the 2nd Qualifying Round to play Ashington

Thats who Blyth were due to play at home this weekend

 
 


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