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broodleyhoo
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Strange goings on seem to continue at BCFC with manager Gary Monk apparently creating a 'bomb squad' of 6 senior players who he has told will not feature in his first team plans, have not been given squad numbers and effectively he wants rid at any price.

The 6 are

The 2 senior 'keepers, Stockdale and Kuchszak (sp!)
Jonathan Grounds - a stalwart for the past couple of seasons
Greg Stewart, brought down unsuccessfully from Duncdee by Rowett - but is a good enough player to have been a regular for Aberdeen last year
Diego Fabbrini : has 1 Italian cap - fought back from a cruciate ligament injury to play a leading role when on loan at Oviedo in La Liga 2 last seasonto get them to the edge of the play offs
Nicola Brock Marsden : another Rowett failure who spent last season out on loan.


Now of course managers and players can fall out - but to say, as Monk has - that his decision to kick out these players is based on events last season and he's not going back is odd.

Firstly, Monk was only in charge for the last few games, when the first 3 named players were key members of the team that battled to stay up and the other 3 were away on loan.

Secondly, with a squad so thin in numbers and low on talent it's daft not to even consider 5 players with proven ability at the same or higher levels than Blues

Thirdly 'my way or the highway' might be a tactic for Ferguson or Clough. But Monk?

Lastly what kind of ultimatum has he given? Stay here and don't play on 10K a week or go and get another team at 5K a week. What would you do?


Info and opinion on all this seems oddly scant on BCFC boards - mainly along the illogical lines of "In GM we trust" so wondered if anyone here had views/info


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And these are the actions of a manager who is running a club currently under a transfer embargo? Very strange attitude to adopt.


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And these are the actions of a manager who is running a club currently under a transfer embargo? Very strange attitude to adopt.


Unless getting these players off the wage bill is the key to opening funds up to get in new players



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And these are the actions of a manager who is running a club currently under a transfer embargo? Very strange attitude to adopt.


Unless getting these players off the wage bill is the key to opening funds up to get in new players
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Seems this embargo has been lifted but the EFL has limited them to free transfers and low-budget loans (max 5 players)



broodleyhoo
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Indeed : and that is the point being made, but Monk's tactics to do this seem crazy.

Firstly, who is ever going to see them 'in play' and so think of buying them if they're restricted to playing with the youth

Secondly, why would a player agree to go to take a pay cut? It's not his fault he club signed him on the wages he's on.

And lastly, the club are in no position to not play talented players. We struggled to create and score goals last season : so why ostracise an international-standard playmaker and a member of the strikeforce that came 2nd in the Scots Prem?

If Monk had good reasons to sack them off, then publicise them. If not it looks like the actions of a weak man trying to seem strong.


broodleyhoo
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The madness seems to be intensifying.

Instead of reaching some kind of compromise with either or both of the two quality keepers currently bombed out of the squad, Monk has signed another keeper of demonstrably lower quality to play instead of either of them.

And still no reason is made in public for a situation where a struggling club can choose to not play contracted players of as good or arguably better qualities to those currently in the squad.


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Manager takes over crap team and wants a clear out. Probably needs to reduce the wage bill too. Where's the story here? Look at where the team with all these supposedly good players was before Monk took over.


broodleyhoo
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Where's the story is what I keep trying to find out - as per my first post in this thread.

It's clear that some kind of altercation has gone on...but ego clashes are commonplace in football and it's a manager's job to sort it not to banish 5 quality players from a poor squad.

Latest rumour is that Stockdale (championship 'keeper of the year 16/17 lets not forget) is going to be loaned to a rival team equally probably fighting relegation - and that the Blues are still going to pay half the wages !!

How mad is that?


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So this quality keeper is only good enough for an equally poor team, who reckon he's only worth half his current wage. Sounds like the madness is in the contracts dished out by the previous regime.


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Sure, the madness is in the contracts that our 'Arry doled out - but that's the past.

Stats show that Stockdale is the better keeper.

Stockdale was voted keeper of the year in the Championship in 16/17

In a very poor season, last season for BCFC
Stockdale was one of the few who couldn't be blamed for the crap results. It was an inability to score rather than an inability to defend that caused the poor results.

Sure the ideal solution would be to sell him on : then disgruntled manager and unhappy player could make a new start.

But if player is unwilling to move (and would you take a 50% wage cut if you suddenly had a new boss who didn't like you?) surely it makes sense to use a better player rather than buy a worse one? Unless you can explain what the problem is that's so awful that you can't share the team bus.

And to then say you'll loan him to a relegation rival?

And still pay half his wages?

That's stark raving mad.

Sure mistakes were made in the past - that's no excuse for making bigger ones now. I'm no fan of Stockdale : just a fan of common sense


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Is the phrase "bomb squad" one created by Gary Monk or by the media? Either way it is in very poor taste considering that there are older Birmingham City supporters and also residents of the city that can remember and maybe a connection with the incidents in 1974.


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Indeed.

I was living in the city at the time, and agree it's not the most elegant of terms.

Don't know where it arose from : just picked it up as a phrase the local media were using (I don't live locally any more).

I guess the reference is to the idea that Monk has 'bombed out' the players concerned


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Birmingham face points deduction for FFP breach ?!?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...uction-breaking-efl/


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Sure, the madness is in the contracts that our 'Arry doled out - but that's the past.

Stats show that Stockdale is the better keeper.

Stockdale was voted keeper of the year in the Championship in 16/17

In a very poor season, last season for BCFC
Stockdale was one of the few who couldn't be blamed for the crap results. It was an inability to score rather than an inability to defend that caused the poor results.

Sure the ideal solution would be to sell him on : then disgruntled manager and unhappy player could make a new start.

But if player is unwilling to move (and would you take a 50% wage cut if you suddenly had a new boss who didn't like you?) surely it makes sense to use a better player rather than buy a worse one? Unless you can explain what the problem is that's so awful that you can't share the team bus.

And to then say you'll loan him to a relegation rival?

And still pay half his wages?

That's stark raving mad.

Sure mistakes were made in the past - that's no excuse for making bigger ones now. I'm no fan of Stockdale : just a fan of common sense


Exactly the same scenario at Sheff Weds with Keiron Westwood. Manager is claiming he is third choice behind two young kids. Usually third choice makes the bench for cup games, but Westwood wasn't even in the squad then.

Sheff Weds were also under an embargo at the time.

 
 


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