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paulh66
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Everyone's favourite competition is back!

The 48 EFL clubs have already each been allocated a place in one of 16 groups, to be joined by an EFL underage team which will be determined by a draw on July 18. Full details here: https://www.efl.com/...ne-draw-information/

No major changes to the competition but interesting to note that, after consultation with police, Southampton won't be drawn in the same group as Portsmouth and Newcastle's kids won't be in with Sunderland.


oxpete
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Everyone's favourite competition is back!

No major changes to the competition but interesting to note that, after consultation with police, Southampton won't be drawn in the same group as Portsmouth and Newcastle's kids won't be in with Sunderland.


Does "consultation with police" mean that the police have put their concerns forward, or just that this gives the EFL a useful excuse to 'massage' the draw? What'll they do if the semi-finals turn out to be Pompey v Saints and Sunderland v Newcastle? If they're going to make the draw based upon the advise of outside agencies, why not get the TV companies involved too and ask them which sides they'd like to see play each other? (I'm being facetious with that last one).

Swindon and Oxford United have played each other before in the Checkatrade, giving it some much needed passion and competitive edge, along with a decent crowd (though still well below what you'd expect). But of course neither of them were Underage sides. I'm obviously bias, but maybe Southampton and Newcastle would be terrified of the idea of their youngsters being thrown to a baying crowd at a local derby - it'd lessen their chances of winning the thing (though I expect the fans of all four clubs will find this annoying). How long before this little idea is tossed into the FA Cup, too?





(This post was edited by oxpete on Jul 13, 2018, 10:05 PM)


paulh66
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Good points. My first thought was that a Sunderland defeat to Newcastle's kids would be more than enough to fuel the local rivalry for years to come!


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That lowers the credibility of the competition even more. As others have said, what happens if they progress to the latter stages and are forced to meet?
I am sure the Police could handle it just as they do when these clubs play league or FA Cup ties.

I also thought the idea of U23 / reserve / development teams was to give the youngsters a taste of first team type competitive environments....surely such a game would attract a more partisan crowd and bigger crowd thus providing some ‘Bigger game’ type experience?


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I wonder if the followers of clubs in the 92 who keep records of the grounds visited with their clubs count visits in this trophy.Sly


Leyther_Matt
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Jul 16, 2018, 1:52 PM

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I wonder if the followers of clubs in the 92 who keep records of the grounds visited with their clubs count visits in this trophy.Sly

I counted Cheltenham when visiting with Bolton.


kirby knitters
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I wonder if the followers of clubs in the 92 who keep records of the grounds visited with their clubs count visits in this trophy.Sly

I counted Cheltenham when visiting with Bolton.

No problem with that but would you count say Leicester when facing an U23 side? (well aware you have probably visited on league business))


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There are some on here who will count a pub kick about on a league ground if it saves a few quid!


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No problem with that but would you count say Leicester when facing an U23 side? (well aware you have probably visited on league business))



I thought all the games (group games at least) were on the EFL clubs' grounds


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They are.




July 1, 2018 to June 30,2019 112 / 92 / 20(You know my rules) @ 10 /11 /2018.(Only 8 x 0-0's)
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-0-1 ) Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 2 - 1 ).
Scotland Senior 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-EastofS -1 NofS 0 - SouthofS -2 - Junior (0-0-0)-(0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
N I = 0-0-5. ROI =0-0-( Leinster-2 , Munster-2, Ulster -0.) Wales =0- (0-0).
Scan Den=1-1, Faroes=8, Fin=0-2, Ice=0-3, Nor=0-9, Swe=0-1. Baltics Est= 0, Lat= 2, Lith=1.


Leyther_Matt
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I wonder if the followers of clubs in the 92 who keep records of the grounds visited with their clubs count visits in this trophy.Sly

I counted Cheltenham when visiting with Bolton.

No problem with that but would you count say Leicester when facing an U23 side? (well aware you have probably visited on league business))

In that scenario I doubt I'd have attended but no I wouldn't have counted it on the basis of not playing against their first team (and yes I have been there on league business, missing the first half hour thanks to a combination of extended boozing and heavy traffic, and yes I'm still counting it! Cool)


dottirofhod
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Jul 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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And those who kick about in a pub instead of going the game like the poster above.




July 1, 2018 to June 30,2019 112 / 92 / 20(You know my rules) @ 10 /11 /2018.(Only 8 x 0-0's)
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-0-1 ) Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 2 - 1 ).
Scotland Senior 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-EastofS -1 NofS 0 - SouthofS -2 - Junior (0-0-0)-(0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
N I = 0-0-5. ROI =0-0-( Leinster-2 , Munster-2, Ulster -0.) Wales =0- (0-0).
Scan Den=1-1, Faroes=8, Fin=0-2, Ice=0-3, Nor=0-9, Swe=0-1. Baltics Est= 0, Lat= 2, Lith=1.


paulh66
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The prize money in this competition isn't to be sniffed at, and I was surprised how favourably it compares to the money on offer in the League Cup. These are the figures for 2017/18:

Participation fee: £20k
Group Stage: £10k for a win and £5k for a draw
Round two: £20k for a win
Round three: £40k for a win
Quarter-final: £50k for a win
Runner-up: £50k
Winner: £100k

By comparison, the League Cup only paid prize money to the last four teams left in the competition:

Losing semi-finalists: £25k each
Losing finalist: £50k
Winner: £100k

Obviously TV revenues and gate receipts are a bigger factor in the League Cup but a decent run in the Checkatrade can be a very handsome earner for a lower division club.


greenwood
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The reason for the prize money being so generous is probably to discourage clubs from fielding understrength sides. (although obviously that doesn't apply to the Premier League clubs who have entered their U-23 sides in the competition.)


oxpete
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Jul 19, 2018, 12:10 AM

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The prize money in this competition isn't to be sniffed at, and I was surprised how favourably it compares to the money on offer in the League Cup. These are the figures for 2017/18:

Participation fee: £20k
Group Stage: £10k for a win and £5k for a draw.


This makes quite amazing reading. Two years ago, both Pompey and Luton Town picked up fines of £15,000 each for fielding weakened teams in their three group stage matches. Yet on this reckoning clubs can STILL make a profit!

In Pompey’s win over Bristol Rovers, the Gas were also fined £3,000 when they subbed their first-choice goalkeeper after just three minutes. This made a combined fine of £8,000 on the night, or £6.67 per paying customer (on an attendance of 1200, the lowest post-War crowd at Fratton Park for a competitive Pompey match).

Looks like you can make money out of this cup without even trying!





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Full draw

https://www.efl.com/...up-stages-confirmed/



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FulhamDave
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We have Oxford away in our group this year (and had Crawley last season). I would not count these games in grounds visited as only count first team competitive matches.

Whilst have been to the respective venues for other competitive matches will not count them as "seen Fulham play at" until League / League Cup / FA Cup / European Wink match


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Nearly two weeks since the draw and still we await the fixtures. This competition doesn't really help itself..


dottirofhod
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Hope we have Shrewsbury at home not you, I will once again not be going against the U21/U23/Academy side, delete as appropriate.


Crewe v Man City will not have me attending.




July 1, 2018 to June 30,2019 112 / 92 / 20(You know my rules) @ 10 /11 /2018.(Only 8 x 0-0's)
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-0-1 ) Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 2 - 1 ).
Scotland Senior 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-EastofS -1 NofS 0 - SouthofS -2 - Junior (0-0-0)-(0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
N I = 0-0-5. ROI =0-0-( Leinster-2 , Munster-2, Ulster -0.) Wales =0- (0-0).
Scan Den=1-1, Faroes=8, Fin=0-2, Ice=0-3, Nor=0-9, Swe=0-1. Baltics Est= 0, Lat= 2, Lith=1.


paulh66
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After some of the 'football' we've witnessed from certain visiting teams over the last three years, a home match with City's academy has its appeal. Might well try to venture up for that, though if it had been an U23 side other than City or Everton I wouldn't be bothered.

 
 


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