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Tykeoldboy
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The FA council reached a deal to play the FA Cup fifth round in midweek without replays from 2019/20. There will still be replays in the third and fourth rounds. This is to allow the PL to introduce a 2 week Winter break, although the weekends at the beginning and end of this Winter break will still be used to allow televised matches.

Another kick in the teeth for the FA Cup.



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As the EPL clubs don't want to play in the Cup, why not play the competition without them?


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Rochdale's 5th Round replay against Spurs was a major financial boost for the club, which they wouldn't have had if replays had been scrapped already.

It will be the Premier League clubs that are driving this change so maybe they should agree to greater prize money in earlier rounds and lower prize money for reaching the QF and beyond.



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Not only that but the 5th Round to be played midweek according to sky sports http://www.skysports.com/...-agreed-in-principal

The article also states that it the winter break will be staggered so all teams get a 13 day break whilst still ensuring continuous English Premier League
games.

Only the Premier League could come up with a non winter break, winter break, and only the English FA could agree to disregard tradition and agree to it.


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Assuming the FA Cup 3rd Round is played on 5th Jan 2020 the 4th Round would normally be played 3 weeks later on the 26th. This would be at the start of the 2 week Winter break or in the middle, either way the 4th Round would have to be moved to either to Jan 19 or Feb 9, so how can the PL have league fixtures at the the start and and of this break?

Another option, and one that FA have used before and were widely criticised for, is to bring the 3rd Round forward to Dec 15 which leaves no room for replays, Christmas Day replay anyone? In the end tthis will lead to a fixture backlog with PL complaining because they are playing too many games at the end of the season.

With the FA Cup final probably on May 17 in 2020, (Champions League on May 24) the 2019/20 season is going to be compact. Euro 2020 begins on June 12



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As the EPL clubs don't want to play in the Cup, why not play the competition without them?


Who said the EPL clubs don’t want to play in the FA Cup?

The pointless League Cup yes I agree they could do without it but then again couldn’t we all.

Replays are a waste of time and should be consigned to history, they should be scrapped from every round.



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Let's just flip a coin and do away with the football altogether!


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It’s just progress my friend, the League Cup used to be two legs & subsequent rounds had replays but is now just a one and done.

FA Cup replays are poorly attended despite cheap tickets in most instances and some of the distances travelled midweek in the early Non league rounds are ridiculous. I once attended a midweek game between Godalming & Bodmin which the home team won 5-1 in front of about 50 people if memory serves me right.



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No problem with just one game if both teams agree, but not by FA diktat.


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Rochdale's 5th Round replay against Spurs was a major financial boost for the club, which they wouldn't have had if replays had been scrapped already.

It will be the Premier League clubs that are driving this change so maybe they should agree to greater prize money in earlier rounds and lower prize money for reaching the QF and beyond.


I dont know the exact figures but i wouldnt be surprised if they had earned at least £1million from that replay

Huge for a club like Rochdale



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I'd suggest making it a rule where for ties between 2 Premier League clubs, there are no replays in any round.

The only slight issue is the extra replay money that gets distributed to non league clubs who make the 1st round proper.


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The FA has announced today that there'll be no replays in THIS season's fifth round, thus bringing forward the move by a year. Details at http://www.thefa.com/...round-replays-181218


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Do you know if there is a plan to scrap replays altogether? Making the change one round at a time seems to be a long, drawn out way to make the change to the whole competition.


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No, I don't know.


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It does appear to be the thickening end of the wedge.
I bet that no one on here would be surprised if the next step, to end replays from Third round onwards follows a year or two later.



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Just end all replays Leo, especially the stupid midweek ones in the nationalised rounds of the FA Trophy. Utterly utterly pointless.

Workington to Weymouth or Blyth to Truro on a Tuesday night in January benefits no-one.



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How many more kicks in the teeth can this once great tournament have?



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As there is a full midweek Premier League programme the last week in February, 10 days after the 5th Round when replays would have been scheduled, they must have known before the fixtures came out this change was coming this season. At least now I know Cherries' visit to Arsenal on 27th February won't be affected by either team being involved in an FA Cup 5th Round replay.


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Just end all replays Leo, especially the stupid midweek ones in the nationalised rounds of the FA Trophy. Utterly utterly pointless.

Workington to Weymouth or Blyth to Truro on a Tuesday night in January benefits no-one.


I completely agree, always thought the concept of a replay just doesn't make sense. You should play out the tie where you are drawn

There are a few examples of lower ranked teams making a lot of money out of replays, like the Rochdale/Spurs game. But the flip side to that is Rochdale have been denied a very real chance of a huge upset with ET/Pens at home instead of a whole new game away. That is what the cup should be about, not the occasional big tv earner.


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It is a shame but the reality is that few big teams get taken to a replay nowadays so few clubs will be affected.

What should be done, perhaps, is television revenue is given to the smaller team in the event of them being drawing at home and missing out on the unlikely possibility of a match at a bigger stadium and, as said above, prize money adjusted to reflect the change too.

Off on a slight tangent, this isn't about the big clubs not caring about the cup, in the last 30 years the winners of the FA Cup are:

Arsenal x 7
Chelsea x 7
Man Utd x 6
Liverpool x 4
Spurs, Everton, Man City, Portsmouth and Wigan x 1 each.

Just 2 of the last 20 have gone to a team not regarded as a top 3-5 team at the time.


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It is a shame but the reality is that few big teams get taken to a replay nowadays so few clubs will be affected.

What should be done, perhaps, is television revenue is given to the smaller team in the event of them being drawing at home and missing out on the unlikely possibility of a match at a bigger stadium and, as said above, prize money adjusted to reflect the change too.

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Tell that to Manchester United and Exeter City; though in that case the draw was at at Old Trafford and the required replay at St. James's Park. And Exeter then were non-league.



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It is a shame but the reality is that few big teams get taken to a replay nowadays so few clubs will be affected.

What should be done, perhaps, is television revenue is given to the smaller team in the event of them being drawing at home and missing out on the unlikely possibility of a match at a bigger stadium and, as said above, prize money adjusted to reflect the change too.

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Tell that to Manchester United and Exeter City; though in that case the draw was at at Old Trafford and the required replay at St. James's Park. And Exeter then were non-league.


That's one example out of how many years/ties? With the rate they are scrapping replays in the latter rounds then scrapping them altogether can't be far away.

 
 


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