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R.S.Cavendish
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Did anyone listen to the programme broadcast last night on Radio 4 @ 8pm? If so, what was your opinion of it?


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Did anyone listen to the programme broadcast last night on Radio 4 @ 8pm? If so, what was your opinion of it?


Do you think he had a point?



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Did anyone listen to the programme broadcast last night on Radio 4 @ 8pm? If so, what was your opinion of it?


I listened to it right the way through, and I thought it was excellent. The guy has long been a hero of mine, and his contribution to the world is woefully underrated. For those who didn't listen...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hnqrq

...here is Larry Adler - All Mouth Organ - a three-hour long celebration of this harmonica player extraordinaire from last night on Radio 4 Extra!


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Many mixed feelings.
In no particular order

1. That I wish we had politicians (of all shades of opinion) with the breadth of experience that they had back then. In the HoC in the 60s we had men and women who had served in the war, who had worked in manual industry as well as the more usual lawyers and folk from posh backgrounds. Thus the HoC had a wider range of experience to draw on and there were fewer people who'd never had a proper job unlike today's situation.

2. More people had had a classical education to understand the way in which the speech also referred back to Roman times and comparing and contrasting how empires were to be wound down - which was what the UK was in the process of relatively successfully doing at the time.

3. Although he liked to present himself as a learned, rational scholar, applying logic to problems, there were odd occasions, as the presenter put it that he appeared "a stupid person's idea of a clever man". I think that's an unfair jibe

4. As to the central point which all the hoohah was about : did he have a point? Possibly. Would he have appreciated use of his language by more simplistic folk to make a point he was not - almost certainly not.

5. Is lack of integration of migrant communities a problem? Yes.

6. Is it a problem solely down to certain kinds of migrants? I'll let you come to an opinion on that once you've visited Stroke City and the Shankhill Road, and possibly the English settlements in the Costas.


Ultimately there is a huge discussion to be had about what is meant by native culture, what the place of migrants is in such a culture.

That's a hugely sensitive subject and not helped by sloganeering on either side. Trouble is, sloganeering is what today's culture is becoming increasingly dominated by - on all sides - which brings me back to point 1.

I'm glad that the BBC broadcast it. It was the kind of thoughtful analysis of a vital discussion that is what makes the BBC such a valued part of our nation. They should do this more often.


(This post was edited by broodleyhoo on Apr 17, 2018, 6:55 AM)


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Political discussions on this site have a tendency to descend into the "i'm right, you're wrong" game but, broodleyhoo, your post i find to be very well thought out and intelligent. You have avoided the usual cliches and bandwagon jumping of the vast majority of the population of this country and nailed the point of how the less intelligent in our society extract the bits they want to use for their own stupid agendas.

The overall intelligence of this country has plummetted to depths one could never foresee 50 years ago. This is why nowadays one has more chance of success if one is, say, taller and can shout louder or looks harder. Politicians are likely to be voted in if they are some pretty boy instead of an educated person. The house of commons is full of political bandwagon jumpers to keep their popularity up.

Many years ago, apart from the PM, the politicians and people running the country were pretty much faceless. The wheels turned and government did its job. Those days, i'm afraid, are long gone.

I suggest, purely from a neutral point of view, that anyone who wants to voice opinions on THE MAN Enoch Powell, they research his history and life first. I say this from a non political point of view.


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Appreciate your comment. That's what I was aiming for : sure there's plenty in the material to arouse strident thinking - and in some ways there's nowt wrong with that.

Just at the end of the day when everyone's shouted their piece, you then have to say...' Right. Everyone's got that off their chest - now what are we actually going to do about it?'

Might disagree with you that politicians back then were faceless. I think many such as Barbra Castle, Roy Jenkins, Anthony Barber and Peter Walker and so on were anything but faceless : look at the way their actions changed the nature of the country (will let others decide for good or ill).

However, they didn't live in an age of 24/7 media and incessant social chit chat online.

For all the advantages that such bring, I'd agree it has brought politics back (?) down to a shouting match.

And entirely agree with your last line. As with many public figures he is a man of many parts : some to like, some to admire, some to hate. Folk will have to come to a balanced judgement...and that's the skill.


TheWavendonian
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Agreed. By the way when i say faceless i mean people didn't really know back then what the politicians looked like. Maybe photos in newspapers of, as you say, Barbara Castle and the like but they weren't on the tv as they are now. That's if you had a tv. Because they weren't seen as much in the media, the policies and work they did mattered more than the smiley faces and shiny suits that people care about now.


R.S.Cavendish
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Thank you to both Broodleyhoo and TheWavendonian for your most thoughtful and interesting posts.
I am now an old man but remember the days when politics was fun with talented and learned people.
I remember being at Eric Lubbock's win in Orpington in 1962 and admiring his winning speech. Equally, I was transfixed when I sat in the HoC and heard a speech from Powell.
Those days are gone. The quality of today's politicians (they are NOT Parliamentarians) is poor to useless.
God help us in the future.


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Sure, back in the day there were still dozy Tories from the shires and useless Labour lads promoted by Buggins turn from union ranks - and they were as useless as some of today's wastes of space.

But somehow - is it our age? (I'm a child of the 50s) - politicians back then seemed to have more gravitas...but I do think a lot might be down to the all pervasive nature of twitter and 24/7 rolling news. Nye Bevan and Churchill's tweets might certainly have been interesting!

And fun - sure...was pulling down and/or defacing your oppos posters on the town notice board then more or less fun than running a dodgy facebook campaign? I'd guess about equal.

C'est la vie !


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Sure, back in the day there were still dozy Tories from the shires and useless Labour lads promoted by Buggins turn from union ranks - and they were as useless as some of today's wastes of space.

But somehow - is it our age? (I'm a child of the 50s) - politicians back then seemed to have more gravitas...but I do think a lot might be down to the all pervasive nature of twitter and 24/7 rolling news. Nye Bevan and Churchill's tweets might certainly have been interesting!

And fun - sure...was pulling down and/or defacing your oppos posters on the town notice board then more or less fun than running a dodgy facebook campaign? I'd guess about equal.

C'est la vie !


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Could someone give me the name of the programme? I'd like to see if it's available on their website.


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Could someone give me the name of the programme?.


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Sir Geoffrey le Mesurier Mander ?




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Sir Geoffrey le Mesurier Mander ?


Nah.



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Rastus Odinga Odinga ?


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Must be John Baird.

 
 


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