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Mike Odgers
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Feb 5, 2018, 10:26 AM

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Celtic and Rangers both lost on Saturday.

IJust curious
Is this a rare occurance on the same day and does anyone know when this last happened.


jrev61
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Feb 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Celtic and Rangers both lost on Saturday.

IJust curious
Is this a rare occurance on the same day and does anyone know when this last happened.


It's not that rare. A few years ago I watched Hearts beat Celtic at Tynecastle, at the same time Hibs were winning at Rangers.
When St. Mirren had their famous 4-0 win over Celtic, I seem to remember Rangers also lost at home.



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prorege
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Feb 5, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Yes, it has happend quite a lot. Not often enough, mind you.


KickerCnspiracy
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Feb 6, 2018, 3:31 PM

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This weekend was actually the first time ever since the new Rangers club was formed. And as far as I can see, it only happened three times this century with the old club.

10 November 2010:
Hearts 2-0 Celtic
Rangers 0-3 Hibs

24 March 2010:
St Mirren 4-0 Celtic
Dundee Utd 1-0 Rangers (Scottish Cup)

20 May 2007:
Hibs 2-1 Celtic
Aberdeen 2-0 Rangers


Leyther_Matt
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Feb 7, 2018, 1:49 PM

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There is no Old Firm.


Mike Odgers
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Feb 8, 2018, 10:28 AM

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.Old Firm From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Old Firm derby Fans kept apart at a match between the clubs Other names Glasgow derby Locale Glasgow, Scotland Teams First meeting 28 May 1888
Celtic 52 Rangers
Friendly Latest meeting 30 December 2017
Celtic 00 Rangers[1]
Scottish Premiership Next meeting 10 March 2018
Rangers v. Celtic
Scottish Premiership Statistics Meetings total 410 Most wins Rangers (159) Largest victory Celtic 71 Rangers
(19 October 1957)[2] Celtic Park Ibrox Stadium (Rangers) Location of the two teams' stadia in Glasgow Celtic Rangers
The Old Firm is the collective name for the Scottish football clubs Celtic and Rangers, who are both based in Glasgow.
The rivalry between the two clubs has become deeply embedded in Scottish culture and has contributed to the political, social and religious division and sectarianism in Scotland and also beyond, especially in neighbouring Northern Ireland. As a result, the fixture was recognised as having enduring appeal.[3]

This is where I found the info' -has something changed since?


prorege
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Feb 8, 2018, 11:49 AM

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Yes, it has changed.

The "Old Firm" was the cartel of Rangers and Celtic which exerted much influence on Scottish football until 2012. They fed off each other using the deep-seated rivalry to generate income. In times gone by, for example, they would agree to draw Cup ties to generate further income from replays. At the time of the creation of the Scottish Premier League in 1998 they forced through a voting system that gave both clubs a veto. Players joining them were routinely capped by the SFA to enhance their transfer value.

One half of the Old Firm was liquidated in 2012. The Scottish Professional Football League has a much more democratic structure which removed the veto of the "Old Firm".

Since then the imbalance between Celtic and the new Rangers club is such that the term "Old Firm" has no real relevance any more.

The new Rangers have little influence on Scottish football, being regarded as a pariah club by all but their own devotees.


Leyther_Matt
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Feb 8, 2018, 1:02 PM

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Yes, it has changed.

The "Old Firm" was the cartel of Rangers and Celtic which exerted much influence on Scottish football until 2012. They fed off each other using the deep-seated rivalry to generate income. In times gone by, for example, they would agree to draw Cup ties to generate further income from replays. At the time of the creation of the Scottish Premier League in 1998 they forced through a voting system that gave both clubs a veto. Players joining them were routinely capped by the SFA to enhance their transfer value.

One half of the Old Firm was liquidated in 2012. The Scottish Professional Football League has a much more democratic structure which removed the veto of the "Old Firm".

Since then the imbalance between Celtic and the new Rangers club is such that the term "Old Firm" has no real relevance any more.

The new Rangers have little influence on Scottish football, being regarded as a pariah club by all but their own devotees.

I suspected you'd be on my wavelength Cool


kirby knitters
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Feb 10, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Surely better being perceived as a 'pariah club' at home rather than exporting the shameful behavior of Celtic fans in the European game that has led to the self proclaimed 'best fans in world football' having 14 Uefa charges laid against their club for songs, banners etc.


prorege
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Feb 10, 2018, 6:33 PM

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No.
Strange how supporters of the bigot brothers always justify themselves by saying the other lot are worse.


One arse, two cheeks.


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kirby knitters
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Always love to read an unbiased opinion.!


Leyther_Matt
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Feb 12, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Always love to read an unbiased opinion.!

Having a thorough dislike of the ugly sisters is the definition of unbiased in my eyes!


kirby knitters
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Always love to read an unbiased opinion.!

Having a thorough dislike of the ugly sisters is the definition of unbiased in my eyes!
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Not sure paying to go and watch a club I thoroughly dislike no matter who the opposition are would make me as unbiased as I was claiming to be.



Leyther_Matt
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Feb 12, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Always love to read an unbiased opinion.!

Having a thorough dislike of the ugly sisters is the definition of unbiased in my eyes!

Not sure paying to go and watch a club I thoroughly dislike no matter who the opposition are would make me as unbiased as I was claiming to be.


Point being, in the polarised world of these two particular clubs - and the media circus that accompanies them - the only way you're going to get a balanced view on them is if you treat them with equal disdain.


ladderman
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Feb 13, 2018, 11:19 PM

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There is no Old Firm.

Tis true

 
 


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