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FA's Proposed Structure of the NLS 2017/18 and 2018/19

 

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PaulC
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Cut out a cardboard shape to represent England.

Stick a pin somewhere in the north and let it hang. Draw a vertical line from the pin point. Stick a pin somewhure in the south and repeat.

Where the lines intersect is the centre of gravity.


Winston1963
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I don’t like the idea of the answer in the NLP last week about promotion into step 2 under the new structure. “Step 3 to step 2 will be managed with a ‘super play-off’ system. “ So it won’t be 4 down from each of the National League North and South and two up from each of the step 3 leagues, then. I bet when they have 8 step 4 leagues, the step 3 leagues have to relegate 4. A 1-2-4-8 system should have equal promotion and relegation at all steps.


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Why get so defensive?

When anything like this is released, whether it's from the FA, UEFA, FIFA, UK Government its always best to have a logo etc on it.

Things don't look official otherwise

I'm still waiting for that groveling apology


ladderman
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Don't worry. According to swjoduk I made it all up


windydcfc
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Mike Amos has posted about the EBAC NL’s appeal to the F.A. on his blog today https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com


northstandexile
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Every season we have clubs complaining that they have been placed in the 'wrong' league.

Surely we can have a system where fixed boundaries of leagues are established.

Looks very likely that the FA want a 1-2-4-8-16 system.

So why can't clubs at each step say which league they want to play in.

Step2 - north or south
Step3 - north, midland, south west, south east.
Step4 - north east, north west, West Midlands, East Midlands , south West , London west, London north, London south.
Step5. This is where it gets interesting, but I would base the leagues on a geographically hub close to a major road.

So for example each club in the land would choose which league they would want to play in based on these 16 hubs namely

Exeter
Bristol
Southampton
Reading
Maidstone
Wimbledon
Watford
Chelmsford
Peterborough
Nottingham
Coventry
Wolverhampton
Warrington
Preston
Barnsley
Darlington.

I will let other folk name these 16 leagues.

Surely this would cut travelling down considerably as this seems the major issue which clubs seem to be complaining about.

So, what is wrong, and I can hear you saying - uneven numbers in leagues comes the reply. Why is that wrong? Provided that the fixtures are arranged to provide the 30 or 40 odd matches in a league season and different amount of promotion and relegation places agreed before the start of the season. Surely the double round robin of home and away once is not imperative to our game. Split season fixtures happen in many countries around the world. You could even have more than one section in a hub if there are too many teams wanting to play in one hub

I am sure this has got to be the way forward.


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A 1-2-4-8 system should have equal promotion and relegation at all steps.

Why? It doesn't happen in the Football League.


Terrierdave
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Mike Amos has posted about the EBAC NL’s appeal to the F.A. on his blog today https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com


Does anyone know what time the appeal is being held? Is the substance of the proposal that the NL runs a new 8th Step 4 division, but that perhaps it doesn't cover the area that the FA would expect?


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Mike Amos has posted about the EBAC NL’s appeal to the F.A. on his blog today https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com


Does anyone know what time the appeal is being held? Is the substance of the proposal that the NL runs a new 8th Step 4 division, but that perhaps it doesn't cover the area that the FA would expect?


Reading that blog entry (February 19th) heres what I gather from it

1. The appeal is being heard TODAY (February 21st)
2. The Northern League want to run this new Step 4 division
3. No mention of a new geographical footprint for the league
4. Word that it will be a "much diminished competition" if the NL doesnt get what it wants.

Honestly, no offence to the Northern League but after nearly 40 years of knockbacks and clubs refusing promotion for whatever reason, I cannot see the FA even come close to agreeing to this.

Overall I still think the crux is that the 8th Step 4 League will cover the North East, Cumbria and northern Yorkshire footprint but the NL want to administer it whereas the FA would prefer it to be organised by the NPL.


(This post was edited by Dazzla84 on Feb 21, 2018, 11:11 AM)


Terrierdave
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Reading that blog entry (February 19th) heres what I gather from it

1. The appeal is being heard TODAY (February 21st)
2. The Northern League want to run this new Step 4 division
3. No mention of a new geographical footprint for the league
4. Word that it will be a "much diminished competition" if the NL doesnt get what it wants.

Honestly, no offence to the Northern League but after nearly 40 years of knockbacks and clubs refusing promotion for whatever reason, I cannot see the FA even come close to agreeing to this.

Overall I still think the crux is that the 8th Step 4 League will cover the North East, Cumbria and northern Yorkshire footprint but the NL want to administer it whereas the FA would prefer it to be organised by the NPL.


Yes I know it is today, just wondered what time. I'd read the blog which doesn't really expand on anything.

As I understood it, the FA invited the NL to submit the proposal in the first place, then knocked it back? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.


windydcfc
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Reading that blog entry (February 19th) heres what I gather from it

1. The appeal is being heard TODAY (February 21st)
2. The Northern League want to run this new Step 4 division
3. No mention of a new geographical footprint for the league
4. Word that it will be a "much diminished competition" if the NL doesnt get what it wants.

Honestly, no offence to the Northern League but after nearly 40 years of knockbacks and clubs refusing promotion for whatever reason, I cannot see the FA even come close to agreeing to this.

Overall I still think the crux is that the 8th Step 4 League will cover the North East, Cumbria and northern Yorkshire footprint but the NL want to administer it whereas the FA would prefer it to be organised by the NPL.


Yes I know it is today, just wondered what time. I'd read the blog which doesn't really expand on anything.

As I understood it, the FA invited the NL to submit the proposal in the first place, then knocked it back? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.



The F.A. asked them to consider a step 4 league at the meeting.
The EBAC NL at the end of the meeting, said they already had & offered up the proposal on the table. Which was rejected by the F.A.
I’m not sure what time the meeting is.


Dazzla84
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Reading that blog entry (February 19th) heres what I gather from it

1. The appeal is being heard TODAY (February 21st)
2. The Northern League want to run this new Step 4 division
3. No mention of a new geographical footprint for the league
4. Word that it will be a "much diminished competition" if the NL doesnt get what it wants.

Honestly, no offence to the Northern League but after nearly 40 years of knockbacks and clubs refusing promotion for whatever reason, I cannot see the FA even come close to agreeing to this.

Overall I still think the crux is that the 8th Step 4 League will cover the North East, Cumbria and northern Yorkshire footprint but the NL want to administer it whereas the FA would prefer it to be organised by the NPL.


Yes I know it is today, just wondered what time. I'd read the blog which doesn't really expand on anything.

As I understood it, the FA invited the NL to submit the proposal in the first place, then knocked it back? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

I do think youre not wrong, but there must have been a part of the proposal the Northern League submitted that the FA did not agree with, hence it was knocked back, and the way Amos is talking about it in that blog post makes me believe the difference of opinion is who administers it.

As for the time, I have no idea exactly when its being heard, midday would be my guess.


Terrierdave
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Feb 21, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Cheers both!

I should have added - was this proposal to create the division in time for next season? or is 2019/20 was the target?


(This post was edited by Terrierdave on Feb 21, 2018, 11:30 AM)

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