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Stourbridge Standard / Stourbridge FC – Query about formation date and Early years

 



London Harrier
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Can anyone help with source information to confirm the following:

Stourbridge FC list their formation date as 1876. "The Glassboys were founded in 1876 and were originally known as Stourbridge Standard.” General consensus is the club changed name to Stourbridge circa 1888.

My Questions Are

1. Were the Stourbridge Standard of 1876 a Rugby club or an Association Football club? Or both? (They had a cricket arm too)

2. Is there supporting documentation to show Standard were linked to the present day Stourbridge FC?

(A Stourbridge FC handbook from 1976 contains a piece written by Jack Haden of the County Express (forerunner to today’s Stourbridge News). It starts..

Stourbridge Standard FC became Stourbridge FC in 1888 and in the 1888/89 season the club began to play regularly on the cricket ground at Amblecote. Football had not been allowed there from the beginning of the 1887/88 season as a racetrack had just been laid and the Cricket club, which held the ground on lease, wanted to give it a chance to settle.)

3. As a general observation, if a club switches code, is it seen as a “new” club or a continuation of the club that played the old code.

Notes

The earliest Stourbridge Standard reference I can find in the BNA is a game between Wordsley Excelsior and Stourbridge Standard on Saturday 8th December 1877. Wordsley win by “1 goal, 8 tries and 4 touchdowns”. The Stourbridge team is listed as:

1. Jones (captian)
2. Noakes (Quarter Back)
3. Webb (Half Back
4. Barton (Half Back)
5. Corbett (Goal)
6. White (Forward)
7. Chadwich (Forward)
8. Perry (Forward)
9. Tooby (Forward)
10. Drew (Forward)
11. Bennett (Forward)
12. Bryce (Forward)
13. Perks (Forward)
14. Green (Forward)
15. Pope(Forward)

This, for all intents, looks like a Rugby match


November 1878, under “football fixtures” we have

Colman Hill v Stourbridge Association
Brierley Hill v Stourbridge Standard
Dudley v Bewdley
Dudley Victoria v Woodsetton Juniors


The first mention I can see of Stourbridge Standard as an Association Football Club is in 1881. They are listed as competitor in the Birmingham & District Football Association Charity Cup.

It doesn’t help that as late as 1889, Stourbridge Ruby club are still listed under the generic “football” results list, along with Stourbridge Football Club.


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This seems like a strange mixture of Rugby, Football and American Football.
Anyone know the difference between a try and a touchdown?


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1. Were the Stourbridge Standard of 1876 a Rugby club or an Association Football club? Or both? (They had a cricket arm too)


The first truly national Laws of the Game were adopted in 1877 and came into force at the beginning of the 1877/78 season. Around the same time County FAs were being formed to administer the game at local level.

Before this clubs played under some strange arrangements simply in pursuit of finding opponents and getting a game. Some matches were played under Association rules in the first half and Rugby in the second half. Other matches were called medley games where the clubs need to agree the rules before the match because of different local rules adopted by the clubs. For example, if you played at Wednesbury under their rules touches behind the goal were allowed for which the attackers got a free kick from a corner. The match on 8 December 1877 sounds like one of these matches.

It might be worth looking at when Stourbridge joined the Birmingham FA (founded in 1875). In its early years the Worcestershire FA (founded in 1893) operated under the auspices of the Birmingham FA. When Stourbridge joined their County FA may indicate when they fully adopted Association rules and can be said to be an Association club although the clearly existed as a club before that.


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Blue Dragon / Jrev61 – both very good points.

I did wonder if this club were playing some strange hybrid game. I know nothing about Rugby, but was struck by the ‘goal’ position, which suggests something more akin to football (soccer).


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I can't answer the specific questions, sorry.

There was clearly a big overlap for clubs fielding sides for football, running, cricket etc at the same time. If it helps, Kidderminster Harriers started as a running club in 1877, then turned to rugby and progressed to football in 1886/87. In the Centenary History of Kiddy Harriers (by Colin Youngjohns) there is mention of a new football trophy in 1886/87 donated by the Carpet Weavers Association. This was an invitation competition with the rules drawn up on 25 Jan 1887 and featuring Kiddy Harriers, Stourport Swifts, Wribbenhall Victoria and Stourport Standard. Harriers beat Standard 2-1 before beating Swifts 4-0 in the final on 2 April 1887 at Chester Road, Kidderminster before 2,700 spectators. If nothing else, this shows Standard were playing competitive football before April 1887.


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Blue Dragon / Jrev61 – both very good points.

I did wonder if this club were playing some strange hybrid game. I know nothing about Rugby, but was struck by the ‘goal’ position, which suggests something more akin to football (soccer).


'Goal' may be the player that took the kicks at goal in a rugby type game. Just a guess.


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A "goal" in rugby is a try which has been successfully converted - the term was in common use up to the 1960s, although it is little used now.


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Stourbridge Standard joined the Birmingham FA in September 1881.


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Stourbridge Standard joined the Birmingham FA in September 1881.


Thanks. That ties in with some of the dates above.

I've done a lot more digging on the 1888 rename and may have an answer. I've sent my thoughts to a local historian for his view. I'll share once he feeds back.

 
 


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