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Yeading89
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Jan 1, 2018, 2:03 PM

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If the FA want to save clubs money why do they not allow earlier kick offs especially in the winter thus lessening the need of floodlights ? In the sixties most clubs had no lights and kicked off at 2.15


kirby knitters
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Some may see it as a backward step for floodlit grounds to go for early starts but i love the idea, anything that saves cash strapped clubs expense at steps 5/6 has to be worth thinking about but i can't see leagues letting it happen.



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Bradshaw
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Jan 1, 2018, 8:57 PM

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A long term gripe of mine. Saturday morning is no longer a normal working day for most of the population so why we stick to a 3pm start is beyond me.


DavetheGlassboy
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Jan 1, 2018, 9:48 PM

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I agree. For both cost and environmental reasons it would make more sense for afternoon games to kick off at 2pm rather than 3.



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shimtoan
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Jan 2, 2018, 4:43 AM

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A long term gripe of mine. Saturday morning is no longer a normal working day for most of the population so why we stick to a 3pm start is beyond me.

it goes back to the early days of the game, when working people were only given Saturday afternoons and Sundays off.

3pm gave them enough time to eat before pursuing leisure and recreational activities



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dottirofhod
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Jan 2, 2018, 5:12 AM

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And when were floodlights introduced ?



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shimtoan
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Jan 2, 2018, 5:15 AM

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dottirofhod
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Jan 2, 2018, 5:28 AM

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So all teams had floodlit 15-00 games in them there days ?



I have impeccable credentials , sorry to be so curt but I have had my wrist slapped.
From July 1, 2017. 210/169/41. (You know my rules) @ 23/04/2018.
UEFA. 55 x top tier clubs - need 117 / 711. (16.46 %).
FIFA. Full members - need 97 / 211. (45.97 %).


dottirofhod
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Jan 2, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Isn't Wiki good ?



I have impeccable credentials , sorry to be so curt but I have had my wrist slapped.
From July 1, 2017. 210/169/41. (You know my rules) @ 23/04/2018.
UEFA. 55 x top tier clubs - need 117 / 711. (16.46 %).
FIFA. Full members - need 97 / 211. (45.97 %).


shimtoan
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no, I was just explaining the origins of 3pm kickoffs. The law still existed as it did when floodlighting came in



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dottirofhod
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Jan 2, 2018, 5:41 AM

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Which law do you refer to ?


Its a shame teams are frowned upon kicking off at a different time than 15-00.



I have impeccable credentials , sorry to be so curt but I have had my wrist slapped.
From July 1, 2017. 210/169/41. (You know my rules) @ 23/04/2018.
UEFA. 55 x top tier clubs - need 117 / 711. (16.46 %).
FIFA. Full members - need 97 / 211. (45.97 %).

(This post was edited by dottirofhod on Jan 2, 2018, 5:41 AM)


kirby knitters
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We are only talking abut 7 or 8 home games a season during the dark months. How long would it be before people wanted them brought further forward to 13:00 for reasons of doubles? I'd have no problem with that either.Sly



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Excluding training, I'd imagine that few clubs' floodlights are on
for longer than 48 hours a year...isn't it the initial switch on that
takes up the most power/cost?



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Lots of different thing determine the cost of use such as age. Think we pay we pay about 20-25 for a night game when they are obviously at maximum use.



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Bradshaw
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Jan 2, 2018, 6:31 PM

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The use of floodlights is just one aspect of this issue. An earlier start would also mean being able to get to those more out of the way venues when public transport can begin to pack up around or before five o'clock


baseball caps
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Jan 3, 2018, 9:35 PM

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As a person how works Saturday morning early kick offs are a pain got to run around like a headless chicken to get to matches



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Repoman
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Jan 3, 2018, 11:27 PM

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Earlier kick-offs would not bother me, but there are plenty of people who, while they may not work on Saturday mornings, have other commitments that would make early kick-offs difficult for them. I'm thinking of people like our club chairman, who coaches a boys team on Saturday mornings and finds it difficult enough to get to some away games with a three o'clock kick-off, and I'm sure there are many other people who are involved in non-League football who do the same.

And while early kick-offs mean getting home earlier, they mean setting out earlier too, so those two-and-a-half hour away trips would have to start at 10am, or even earlier. For those sort of trips, any pitch inspections would have to be done at about 7.30; I'm sure there's a lot of referees who would be less than enamoured of the idea of performing a pitch inspection at the crack of dawn.


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Think we are talking steps 5 and 6 here so 2.5 hour trips to away games are few and far between and any such trips would stay at 15:00 starts.



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Jan 4, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Agree with KK, cost of running modem floodlights is about 20 a game. Take how much the three officials cost, players expenses, hospitality, then the cost of the lights is peanuts.
I like watching the lunchtime game then walking down for my main footy fix at 3pm. Long may that continue.


shimtoan
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Jan 5, 2018, 6:38 AM

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Earlier kick-offs would not bother me, but there are plenty of people who, while they may not work on Saturday mornings, have other commitments that would make early kick-offs difficult for them. I'm thinking of people like our club chairman, who coaches a boys team on Saturday mornings and finds it difficult enough to get to some away games with a three o'clock kick-off, and I'm sure there are many other people who are involved in non-League football who do the same.

And while early kick-offs mean getting home earlier, they mean setting out earlier too, so those two-and-a-half hour away trips would have to start at 10am, or even earlier. For those sort of trips, any pitch inspections would have to be done at about 7.30; I'm sure there's a lot of referees who would be less than enamoured of the idea of performing a pitch inspection at the crack of dawn.

A midday kickoff would probably see a pitch inspection at around 7:30-8:00, as opposed to 11:00 for a 3pm. Pitch condition is a lot more likely to change between 8 and 12 because thatt's when you start getting more light and heat on days when an inspection would be necessary.

I wouldn't fancy a midday kickoff at ours anyway. The club would lose a lot of money from doing so, not least because we have kids matches on the training and warm up pitches from 9-1:45, and they pay a decent amount for pitch and facility hire (plus you get kitchen and bar takings) - chokes the car park something rotten though.



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Bradshaw
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Jan 7, 2018, 11:52 PM

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I was never suggesting bringing kick-offs forward to mid-day or even one o'clock, but to 2 pm or 2.30 as they have done in Wales. Anyway, it is unlikely to happen as I doubt there is widespread appetite for it amongst the clubs themselves.


garethwrexy
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Jan 9, 2018, 9:41 PM

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I myself would welcome the idea



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I was never suggesting bringing kick-offs forward to mid-day or even one o'clock, but to 2 pm or 2.30 as they have done in Wales. Anyway, it is unlikely to happen as I doubt there is widespread appetite for it amongst the clubs themselves.


Matches from the FL downwards use to kick off at 2pm during Winter before floodlights became the norm.

 
 


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