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ReeceD1993
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Are we likely to see the amount of teams taking part reduced from the 2018-19 season?


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Unless the FA tweak the exemption schedules, yes. It's an unintended consequence of these extra Step 3 & 4 divisions.


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At the FA leagues conference last weekend the only statement made was that entry to the FA Cup for Step 6 sides was going to get harder rather than easier, I'm not inclined to work out exactly how 20 team divisions of fully complying clubs at steps 3/4/5 would work out in terms of numbers of spaces.

But if anybody can work out the likely sum it would be interesting, esp in relation to where this years ppg cut off was and the likely cut off in 2018/19 for these changes.

Passing the buck......



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I make it 296 teams required for the EP round.

With 280 clubs at Step 5 it leaves just 16 although the actual number is likely to be a bit higher with a few from step 5 either not entering or not eligible.

296 gives 148 winners to Prelim Round

The 148 are joined by the 140 clubs from step 4 giving 144 winners for the 1st Qual.

The 144 winners are joined by the 88 clubs from step 3 giving 116 winners to 2nd Qual.

The 116 are joined by the 44 from NLN/NLS.

After that it is as now. 80 teams in the 3rd Qual. With 40 going through to join the 24 from NL in the 4th Qual

By the way I've looked back and in 2012/2013 there were 125 teams from step 6, along with 275 from step 5 making up the 400 required for the EP round.

How quickly things change!


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Yikes !

Even allowing for the odd not entry or reserve team at Step 5 that could well be down to just 1 per Step 6 Division !!!



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One follow up question - As Step 3 (albeit with an extra division) are limited to 20 clubs as well would that make a difference, or had you already allowed for 4 divisions of 20 at step 3 when doing your sums ?



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I make it 296 teams required for the EP round.


We are in total agreement. That's exactly what I made it when I looked a week or so ago.

Moreover, if all step 5 teams take their place, there won't even be room for all of the teams being relegated from step 5 to step 6. So the only way any of this season's step 6 teams can have any chance of getting in next season is to get promotion to step 5.


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One follow up question - As Step 3 (albeit with an extra division) are limited to 20 clubs as well would that make a difference, or had you already allowed for 4 divisions of 20 at step 3 when doing your sums ?

I've just had a look at your question, Phil. I had assumed four division of 22 at step 3. And looking at Roy's figures, I see that he assumed 22 club divisions too.

I see now that it's 20 at step 3, so that would make space for a further 32 clubs entering at the EP round, or 328 in total. (That compares with 368 this season - though with Guernsey's withdrawal it turned out as 370)

I read a while ago that allocations to the EP round are made according to the following criteria:

1. Step 5 team.
2. Relegated from Step 5 to Step 6.
3. Finished in positions 1 to 4 in Step 6 and not promoted.
4. Any other Step 6 team, ranked by points per game

(I may have criteria 2 and 3 reversed, but I don't think I have.)

Criterion 1 will take up 280 of the 328 (less just a few), leaving 48. And 48 will probably be swallowed up by criteria 2 & 3, with nothing left for criterion 4.


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Many thanks, so in essence what the FA said at last weeks league conference maybe true, eg "Places for step 6 are likely to be harder rather than easier after the re-organisation."

Locally I have 5 SWP teams in the FA Cup, and looking at the criteria and PPG, Parkway who finished in 7th would miss out, Exmouth who finished 5th would be on the borderline and looking for others to fail.



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One follow up question - As Step 3 (albeit with an extra division) are limited to 20 clubs as well would that make a difference, or had you already allowed for 4 divisions of 20 at step 3 when doing your sums ?


Surely step 3 divisions are to be 22? The 20 club rule starts at step 4?


royboy
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Have just looked it up.

Proposed rule 4.2 says Step 3 to be 22 teams unless this has subsequently been amended.


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Indeed you are right, 22 at Step 3.

In which case we are back to Step 6 clubs probably not in the FA Cup unless very very lucky !



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I read the figure 20 for step 3 divisions from the report that NWC put on their website earlier this week. http://www.hallmarksecurityleague.com/...articles.php?id=6038

One paragraph reads:

The FA intends to create two new divisions, one at Step 3 and one at Step 4 in an attempt to reduce travelling at that level. In order to implement this, the FA have decided that all Divisions from Step 3 downwards will be reduced to 20 clubs per Division.

I wonder if this indicates a change to the proposal, or did, perhaps, NWC make a mistake in their report?


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Here's my take on the impact on FA Cup qualifiers as a consequence of changes to the 2018-19 Non-League pyramid

https://facupfactfile.wordpress.com/...id-change-proposals/

I also wrote about how more Non-League clubs could be eligible for the FA Cup 1st Round creating more NL entrants in the process if there was a change to the 'Proper' Rounds structure

https://facupfactfile.wordpress.com/...in-fa-cup-1st-round/


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It is, of course down to the number of exemptions, not the number of rounds. The Coupe de France gets more than 10 times as many clubs with the same number of rounds. Only the top division has its clubs exempt to the last 64 with the second division entering two rounds earlier



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ladderman
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If the Championship clubs came in at the second round stage there would be plenty of room for step 6 clubs.
AFAIK, there will be 22 clubs in each step 3 division from 2018/19. I still haven't heard how promotion and relegation will work in the new set up, but only one going down from step 3 divisions this year appears to be Stortford's best chance of staying up.


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Assuming all levels one through nine clubs played in FA Cup there would have been 736 slots this season.
With unchanged exemptions number of entries next season falls to 684 (There are scheduled to be 668 clubs at levels 1 through 9.)

Some example scenarios of altering exemptions:
If level 2, level 4 and level 5 clubs entered one round earlier available slots would be 4588;
If level 2 clubs entered one round earlier available slots would be 3756;
If level 4 and level 5 clubs entered one round earlier available slots would be 1836;
If level 5 clubs entered one round earlier available slots would be 1068;
If bottom half of level 5 clubs entered one round earlier available slots would be 876;
If level 5 clubs entered one round earlier and level 9 clubs entered one round later available slots would be 788;
If bottom half of level 5 clubs entered one round earlier and top half of level 9 clubs one round later available slots would be unchanged at 736;
If level 5 clubs entered one round earlier, and level 9 and participating level 10 clubs entered one round later (no extra preliminary round) available slots would be 728.

How many FA Cup entries would be the 'ideal' number?


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Here's my view on what will happen with FA Cup entry following Non-League structure ... and what could happen if the FA were so inclined

https://facupfactfile.wordpress.com/...id-change-proposals/


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It is, of course down to the number of exemptions, not the number of rounds. The Coupe de France gets more than 10 times as many clubs with the same number of rounds. Only the top division has its clubs exempt to the last 64 with the second division entering two rounds earlier


This probably wont happen but IMO, the exemptions should be altered.

To me theres no harm in making Championship clubs enter 1 round earlier

MY WAY


ROUND 4 ONWARDS: Straight Knockout
ROUND 3: LEVEL 1 ENTERS (20 Clubs) + 44 Qualifiers = 64 CLUBS
ROUND 2: LEVEL 2 ENTERS (24 Clubs) + 64 Qualifiers = 88 CLUBS - 44 to progress to Round 3
ROUND 1: LEVELS 3 & 4 ENTER (48 Clubs) + 80 Qualifiers = 128 CLUBS - 64 to progress to Round 2
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QUALIFYING ROUND 4: LEVELS 5 & 6 ENTER (68 Clubs) + 92 Qualifiers = 160 CLUBS - 80 to progress to Round 1
QUALIFYING ROUND 3: LEVEL 7 ENTERS (88 Clubs) + 96 Qualifiers = 184 CLUBS - 92 to progress to QR4
QUALIFYING ROUND 2: 192 CLUBS - 96 to progress to QR3
QUALIFYING ROUND 1: LEVEL 8 ENTERS (140 Clubs) + 244 qualifiers = 384 CLUBS - 192 to progress to QR2
PRELIMINARY ROUND: LEVEL 9 & TOP 6 FROM EACH LEVEL 10 LEAGUE ENTER (488 Clubs) + 112 Qualifiers = 488 CLUBS - 244 to progress to QR1
EXTRA PRELIMINARY ROUND: BOTTOM 14 CLUBS FROM EACH LEVEL 10 LEAGUE ENTER (224 Clubs) - 112 to progress to Preliminary

This way, it would mean that EVERY club from Level 10 (Step 6) would be eligible to enter the FA Cup

And that would mean a total entry of 988 Clubs


(This post was edited by Dazzla84 on Dec 7, 2017, 1:39 PM)


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Wouldn't having 988 clubs competing make the prize pot run a bit on the thin(er) side?


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Perhaps the extra million which was pumped in a few years
ago should be spread around more evenly, instead of giving
the semi-final and final losers a Brucie Bonus....



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