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buncranaboy
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Southern Ireland and its economy is in a long but slow recovery, think Brexit may even benefit the country


How will Brexit benefit the Republic ?


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Another issue which just raised it's head is that the EU wants no border between Rep of Ireland and N.I. as part of any trade deal. The UK wants a border between the 2 Irelands. One between N'I' and GB was suggested and Mrs May said that there will never be internal borders in the UK.


As I understand it the Irish Government are insisting that May & Co formally acknowledge that there can't be a "Hard border" between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Which basically is acknowledging reality. Any such border disappeared forever along with the Watchtowers, military checkpoints, army patrols etc at the time of the Good Friday agreement.

I'd have thought one major problem is how do you control immigration into the UK after Brexit without a hard border? Ireland aren't going to stop free movement from the rest of the EU into Ireland and the DUP don't want any controls over movement between N Ireland and the rest of the UK.

And, thanks to her General Election foul-up, Mrs May is reliant on the votes of the ten DUP MPs.

Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon and co are very interested in any Brexit deal that treats Northern Ireland differently to the rest of the UK. After all, if one bit of the UK is treated differently from the rest, why not Scotland too?


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Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon and co are very interested in any Brexit deal that treats Northern Ireland differently to the rest of the UK. After all, if one bit of the UK is treated differently from the rest, why not Scotland too?


Remind me where Scotland's land border with the EU27 is?


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Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon and co are very interested in any Brexit deal that treats Northern Ireland differently to the rest of the UK. After all, if one bit of the UK is treated differently from the rest, why not Scotland too?


Remind me where Scotland's land border with the EU27 is?


Land or sea, it doesn't matter one iota. If preferential treatment is being given to one constituent nation of the UK it needs to be given to all constituent nations.

Somehow I don't think the Tories will be using the "coalition of chaos" smear again any time soon.

Robert Peston has it sussed.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/...lations-with-the-eu/


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Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon and co are very interested in any Brexit deal that treats Northern Ireland differently to the rest of the UK. After all, if one bit of the UK is treated differently from the rest, why not Scotland too?


Remind me where Scotland's land border with the EU27 is?


Land or sea, it doesn't matter one iota. If preferential treatment is being given to one constituent nation of the UK it needs to be given to all constituent nations.

Somehow I don't think the Tories will be using the "coalition of chaos" smear again any time soon.

Robert Peston has it sussed.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/...lations-with-the-eu/


I must have missed the bit where the EU set out Scotland as one of the areas needing progress before we can start trade talks.

We need to agree enough to start trade talks, then we can get to other bits.

To quote Theresa May: "nothing's agreed until everything's agreed".

We just need to move on, if we don't get the trade deal we want these three negotiating points are all for nothing anyway. But by all means, let's slow down the process to appease everyone.


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I must have missed the bit where the EU set out Scotland as one of the areas needing progress before we can start trade talks.


The only reason that is the case is because useless May made it the case. The DUP have the Tories by the short and curlies.

Maybe bunging the DUP another billion will buy them off.

I wonder who thought it was a bright idea to suggest to the arch-Unionists there would have to be custom controls between NI and the rest of the UK.

I notice Ed Miliband summed up this useless shower on twitter

"What an absolutely ludicrous, incompetent, absurd, make it up as you go along, couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery bunch of jokers there are running the government at the most critical time in a generation for the country."

Maybe May should call a General Election to strengthen her hand. Laugh

As for Scotland the only thing preventing the Tories from standing up for Scotland in the same way they have stood up for NI is political will. Scotland will be UK nation worst affected by catastrophic Brexit and is the nation most opposed to it. The Tories want Scotland to suffer just as the rest of the UK will; and all because a minority of the English electorate aren't too keen on Johnny Foreigner.


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Looks like the only way out of this unholy mess is a second referendum to undo the damage done by the Brexiteers.

The last poll showed an 8% lead for those opposing Brexit ... so there is still some hope.


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Having failed to convince the UK population of the need to Remain and now the DUP to get on board with their 'solution' perhaps the best bet for this hopeless shower who are currently in office is to try to persuade the Republic to leave the EU. We could then negotiate terms with the Republic alone without it holding up Brexit trade talks. What could possibly go wrong? Tongue

Or maybe they should just admit that it's all too difficult for them and resign.


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Having failed to convince the UK population of the need to Remain and now the DUP to get on board with their 'solution' perhaps the best bet for this hopeless shower who are currently in office is to try to persuade the Republic to leave the EU. We could then negotiate terms with the Republic alone without it holding up Brexit trade talks. What could possibly go wrong? Tongue

Or maybe they should just admit that it's all too difficult for them and resign.

That or hand back the annexed part of Ireland to the Republic.


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To quote Theresa May: "nothing's agreed until everything's agreed".


Quoting Theresa May .... priceless !

Remind me again who it was who said "I'm not going to be calling a snap election. I am very clear we need a period of stability and have the election in 2020".


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I notice Ed Miliband summed up this useless shower on twitter

"What an absolutely ludicrous, incompetent, absurd, make it up as you go along, couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery bunch of jokers there are running the government at the most critical time in a generation for the country."


Which is rather ironic, because if the Labour leadership pre-2015 hadn't themselves been an "absolutely ludicrous, incompetent, absurd, make it up as you go along, couldn't run a ..." etc, the Tories would not have won a majority, and there would have been no referendum.

You had one job, Ed!


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So a couple of months ago, David Davis said that 58 sector-based assessments of the impact of leaving the EU would have on British business were under way.

Today, we learn that none of them have been done. What on earth have the "Department for Exiting the European Union" been doing?


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So a couple of months ago, David Davis said that 58 sector-based assessments of the impact of leaving the EU would have on British business were under way.

Today, we learn that none of them have been done. What on earth have the "Department for Exiting the European Union" been doing?


The European Parliament has commissioned dozens of impact assessments including four on UK-Ireland relations.

These are publicly available free of charge.


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So a couple of months ago, David Davis said that 58 sector-based assessments of the impact of leaving the EU would have on British business were under way.

Today, we learn that none of them have been done. What on earth have the "Department for Exiting the European Union" been doing?


And here are a few David Davis quotes on those assessments.

Why the lies?


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I quite liked the Guardian sketch headline 'The dog ate my impact assessments'.
History may repeat itself as tragedy and farce, but usually not at the same time.


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Well, despite all of the doom earlier this week, it looks like we'll be moving on to the next phases of negotiations.

Still plenty to sort out, but the markets like it.


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So a couple of months ago, David Davis said that 58 sector-based assessments of the impact of leaving the EU would have on British business were under way.

Today, we learn that none of them have been done. What on earth have the "Department for Exiting the European Union" been doing?


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Part 1 Brexit agreed Smile



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So how are you going to stop all those pesky Johnny Foreigners just crossing the "soft" Irish border to gain access to Britain ?


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So how are you going to stop all those pesky Johnny Foreigners just crossing the "soft" Irish border to gain access to Britain ?


It's all smoke and mirrors.

Yesterday Davis said the 'agreement' wasn't legally enforceable, today he says it is.

The Tories haven't a clue how to get out of the hole they have dug for themselves.

It'll all end in tears.


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Not legally binding but must be honored in full according to Brussels. Not just the Conservatives then who don't seem to know what the hell is going on but there again with them holding all the cards (or so they believe) they can afford to come out with such nonsense.


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So how are you going to stop all those pesky Johnny Foreigners just crossing the "soft" Irish border to gain access to Britain ?


It's all smoke and mirrors.

Yesterday Davis said the 'agreement' wasn't legally enforceable, today he says it is.

The Tories haven't a clue how to get out of the hole they have dug for themselves.

It'll all end in tears.

All they have done is kicked the can down the road so that they can pretend they have solved this problem to enable them to start on the trade negotiations. It will come back to bite them. They are a shambles.


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That's how I see it as well. As Gareth continues to post on this thread I was hoping to find out what he thought about it.


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That's how I see it as well. As Gareth continues to post on this thread I was hoping to find out what he thought about it.


The full text of the 'Agreement to move on to Phase 2 of the negotiations'.......https://ec.europa.eu/...les/joint_report.pdf

As has been noted by previous posters it is no more than a statement of intent and its various clauses are open to interpretation. It is in no way a Legally Binding Document but Davis was correct in his rather imprudent comments when he stated the same.

The document is only clear on its fundamental principles regarding the EUs four mantras. However with regard to movement of EU citizens in Ireland they have conceded that any bilateral UK/ROI agreement will take precedence. Clause 54.....well that's how I construed it!

So many Clauses can be interpreted any which way and the caveats which cover these points can mean anything or nothing. It's simply another fudge as we edge ever closer to the final outcome.

Obviously the EU are realistic enough, unlike some on here, to be in no doubt of the fact that we are leaving and the next stage of the negotiations will probably continue in the same manner.

Testy!


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Do mean Brexit it will take this country to the promised land aka Better life



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