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Richard Rundle
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Aug 21, 2019, 12:42 PM

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So we treat it as any other border whether we leave or stay in the EU. This makes the special back stop irrelevant doesn't it? If it does the problems that it creates are solved, aren't they ?


I think you are the first person I've heard, of whatever political persuasion, leave/remain or whatever, to argue that the hard border should be restored.

You may solve the customs issue (and may not) but you'd certainly open up numerous other cans of worms.

Besides which, the UK is a party to the Good Friday agreement which states there will be no hard border on the island of Ireland. We do not want to renege on that agreement, do we?


KnowYourMarket
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Aug 21, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Pardon anyone for disagreeing with you.

Keep on ranting it's the best way to convince someone of your side of the argument. If you shout long and hard enough I will be a Brexiteer before the end of October. We are mere minions we will just have to deal with the crap whatever happens. The EU membership over the last 40 odd years has made this country a terrible place. I look forward to utopia in November.



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(This post was edited by KnowYourMarket on Aug 21, 2019, 2:14 PM)


TroubleAtMill
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Aug 21, 2019, 2:20 PM

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So we treat it as any other border whether we leave or stay in the EU. This makes the special back stop irrelevant doesn't it? If it does the problems that it creates are solved, aren't they ?


I think you are the first person I've heard, of whatever political persuasion, leave/remain or whatever, to argue that the hard border should be restored.

You may solve the customs issue (and may not) but you'd certainly open up numerous other cans of worms.

Besides which, the UK is a party to the Good Friday agreement which states there will be no hard border on the island of Ireland. We do not want to renege on that agreement, do we?


Does it?

Not explicitly as far as I can see https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/...riday/full_text.html

Isn't the default outcome of hard brexit, a hard border, no matter what the good Friday agreement says, if there isn't one you can't have regulated border trade or regulated border security.

I'm asking questions as much as anything as I don't think I've been told the truth by anyone yet, on either side of the discussion.


(This post was edited by TroubleAtMill on Aug 21, 2019, 2:22 PM)


Northumbrian
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Aug 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Isn't the default outcome of hard brexit, a hard border, no matter what the good Friday agreement says, if there isn't one you can't have regulated border trade or regulated border security.

I'm asking questions as much as anything as I don't think I've been told the truth by anyone yet, on either side of the discussion.


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The U.K. leaving the E.U. without some agreement such as staying in the Customs Union is basically reneging on the Good Friday Agreement. The two things are not compatible.
Whether many people (particularly in England) care is another issue.


TroubleAtMill
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Aug 21, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Isn't the default outcome of hard brexit, a hard border, no matter what the good Friday agreement says, if there isn't one you can't have regulated border trade or regulated border security.

I'm asking questions as much as anything as I don't think I've been told the truth by anyone yet, on either side of the discussion.


Yes!
The U.K. leaving the E.U. without some agreement such as staying in the Customs Union is basically reneging on the Good Friday Agreement. The two things are not compatible.
Whether many people (particularly in England) care is another issue.


Not compatible with the letter of the Good Friday Agreement or the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement?


Yatesman
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Aug 21, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Pardon anyone for disagreeing with you.

Keep on ranting it's the best way to convince someone of your side of the argument. If you shout long and hard enough I will be a Brexiteer before the end of October. We are mere minions we will just have to deal with the crap whatever happens. The EU membership over the last 40 odd years has made this country a terrible place. I look forward to utopia in November.


I don't recall having disagreed with you as I don't recall you making a valid point worth debating.

I only know you as the person who put a bad joke on ths thread and then started having an unnecessary pop at me.

I also thought you were going to disappear as you disliked the standard of debate on here, a standard you are negatively contributing to.........btw, please don't feel the need to reply I predict it wouldn't be worth my time and effort to read it.

If you really feel so aggrieved that you do need to reply then PM me so the others don't have to suffer your pain ........cheers


(This post was edited by Yatesman on Aug 21, 2019, 7:34 PM)

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