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leohoenig
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National - 20 teams
Bastia (provisional, relegated from Ligue 1, and then demoted)
Red Star, Stade Lavallois - relegated from Ligue 2.
I believe Red Star will return to their iconic Stade Bauer

Berrichonne Chateauroux and US Quevilly-Rouen Metropole promoted to Ligue 2
Epinal, CA Bastia, Sedan and Belfort relegated

Cholet, Entente SSG, Grenoble and Rodez promoted from CFA2, Cholet were runners-up to Rennes II. All the others were champions.

National 2 - 4 groups of 16
Group A
Stade Montois, Frejus St-Raphael, Toulon, Colomiers, Hyeres, Monaco II, Marignane-Gignac, Tarbes, O. Marseilles II, Martigues, Nice II, Sete, Paulhan-Pezenas (all from Group D of CFA 2 last season, the last named club appears to be a reprieve from relegation - hence not in National 3 list). Montpellier II and Le Pontet relegated
Bergerac from Group A of CFA transfer in.
Grasse promoted from CFA2, Group G as champions, Stade Bordelais from CFA2, Group H as Champions.

Group B
Epinal and Belfort relegated from National
Le Puy, Annecy, O. Lyon II, Jura Sud, Villefranche, Andrezieux, Raon l'Etape, Chasselelay, Yzeure, St Louis-Neuweg, Montceau from CFA2, Group C.
Paris St. Germain II from CFA, Group A
St. Priest from Group F of CFA2 promoted as Champions
Schiltigheim from Group Dof CFA2 promoted, with the champions (Strasbourg II) ineligible for promotion

Group C
Sedan from National
Reims II from CFA, Group C
Fleury, St Maur Lusitanos, Arras, RC Lens II, Drancy, Lille II, Croix, Viry Chatillon, Amiens, Poissy from CFA, Group B
Beauvais from Group C of CFA2, promoted as Champions
Sainte Genevieve from Group E of CFA2, promoted as Champions
Furiani-Agliani from Group G of CFA2, promoted as runners-up
Bastia-Borgo: I can only guess at this one, but probably a merger between CA Bastia (relegated, but financially troubled) and Borgo who finished 4th in CFA2, Group F. They will play in Borgo/ Hence Borgo in National 3 are listed as Borgo II.

Group D
Boulogne-Billancourt and Le Havre II from CFA, Group B
Rennes II, Granville, Trelissac, Vitre, Romarantin, Fontenay Vendee, Saint-Malo, Lorient II, Chartres, Mantes from CFA, Group A
Saint Pryve Saint Hilaire and Le Mans promoted as first and second from CFA 2, Group B
Limoges promoted as runners-up from CFA2, Group H
Stade Briochin (Saint Brieuc) promoted as Champions of CFA2, Group A



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I believe Red Star will return to their iconic Stade Bauer.


From their website , titled 1st transfer of season.
Season tickets -


https://indiv.themisweb.fr/...PPyXu7PeTwFdssICDFR/


And - The 2017-2018 subscription and renewal campaign is launched! For this season which marks the return of the Red Star to Bauer, the Red Star offers you the possibility to come to the 17 matches at home with new advantages.


On 4th August, the Red Star will return to its Bauer Stadium and launch its season! Worn by the wonderful atmosphere of Bauer, the club will do everything possible to offer you a thrilling season and full of emotions. Treat yourself today to your Green and White membership.


Hour to kill before k o.



I have impeccable credentials , sorry to be so curt but I have had my wrist slapped.
From July 1, 2017. 239/195/44. (You know my rules) @ 22/05/2018.
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Group C
Bastia-Borgo: I can only guess at this one, but probably a merger between CA Bastia (relegated, but financially troubled) and Borgo who finished 4th in CFA2, Group F. They will play in Borgo/ Hence Borgo in National 3 are listed as Borgo II.

Confirmed. Explained here in French.


leohoenig
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Thanks, this is the Google translate of the piece, (well if Hoddy uses this, so can I). Looking at the date, the Saturday in question was 1 July
There are only slight differences if you apply google to the Corsican language version of the article.

(Julien Pernici - Alta Frequenza) - On Saturday, CA Bastia and Borgo FC formalized their merger with a single club, FC Bastia-Borgo. Two emblematic clubs in the Bastille region that unite first for a matter of means, the context of modern football making things become more and more difficult for small entities. Then, with a budget of 1.1 million euros, the FCBB, which plays in black and red, has the ambition to quickly go back to National 1, where the ex-CAB comes from, with a team from National 2 Will be coached by former coach of Paris FC Christophe Taine, and will consist of five former CAB players, Borgo FC players and new recruits. An ambition supported by the will to use the modern structures offered by Borgo, where matches will be played and the training will be done, to offer a real chance to young Corsican players to flourish at a national level, Team reserve led by Antoine Coque who will play in National 3, a reserve that will be powered by the team under 19 years. As for the management team, José Orsini, from Borgo FC, will be president, whereas Antoine Emmanuelli, on the CAB side, will be delegated president.



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leohoenig
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Mar 22, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Just noticed this, so I though worthy of bringing this thread up

At the end of this season, it appears three teams from Ligue 2 (3/4/5) plus one from Ligue 1 (18th) will play off for one place in Ligue 1
From wiki, it seems this is 4th v 5th in Ligue 2 (single-match?), followed by the winner of this game playing a "semi-final" againt the third place (2 legs) and then in turn the final is between the Ligue 2 winner and the team who could come down (2 legs)

Ligue 2 finishes on 11 May, Ligue 1 8 days later.

Last season, Troyes were promoted after beating Lorient in the simple two legged game. It is possible this is repeated!
At the base of Ligue 1, Metz are well adrift and appear sure to go down, but a group of teams are closely packed over the other direct relegation place and the play off
Reading upwards, with 8 games to play, we have Lille (28), Troyes (29), Toulouse (30), Amiens (31) and Strasbourg (32)

At the top of Ligue 2 (also 8 to play) Stade de Reims are well clear with an 11 point advantage over Nimes
Nimes (58) are the favourites for second spot, followed by AC Ajaccio (54), Lorient (53), Paris (52), Clermont (51) and Chateauroux (51). A final day match between Clermont and Paris could decide which (if any) ground I have not ticked appears in the play offs

Between Ligue 2 and National, I believe it is still a straight forward single play off between 18th, Ligue 2 and 3rd National
Tours have had a miserable season, and will surely go down
Reading up, we have Quevilly Rouen (25), Nancy (28), Bourg en Bresse (30), GFCO Ajaccio (31) and Lens (31) as the most likely to feature

Grenoble and Rodez (both 41 points) lead the way in National, with 7 games to play
then Beziers (38), Laval (37) and Red Star (36 and a game in hand)



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hawkwind
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Mar 28, 2018, 4:32 PM

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The two Northern clubs Lille and Lens have had seasons well below expectations.

Lille have the fifth biggest budget in Ligue 1 and should be challenging for a Europa League place. Instead they are in a relegation fight and forced to play Sunday's important match with Amiens without spectators following a post-match pitch invasion against Montpellier. Currently on a seven match run without a league win.

Lens have by far the biggest budget in Ligue 2 and were thus favourites to lift the title before the season began. Seven straight defeats was a surrealist start but they looked to have recovered before the current run of one league win in 10. A penalties defeat to Les Herbiers at the quarter-final stage of the Coupe de France when given the subsequent semi-final draw they would have been favourites to reach the Stade de France has added to the despondency.


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Some of this relates more to National 3 than National 2, but here's some information the readers of the thread may find interesting.

The best ranked 14th placed team across the four National 2 groups will be automatically reprieved from relegation due to SC Bastia's enforced relegation at the start of the season. This also leads to 3 down/4 up between National and National 2

Promotion from National 3 to National 2 is one per group, with an ineligible club being replaced by the next eligible team in the group. I've not seen anything this season about eligibility for promotion from National 3 of reserve teams who don't have the properly certificated centre de formation.

Relegation from National 3 to Regional 1/Division d'Honneur (most regions have standardised on the former now) will be a minimum of 3 per group, with extra relegation places depending on which teams from National 2 get relegated - because National 3 is now strictly regional. The Grand-Est and Bourgogne-France Comté groups may also see further relegation due to starting with more than 14 teams. Worst case this could see seven teams relegated from the Grand Est group.

Mergers and the like effecting National/2/3 teams:
Rouen have announced they will divest themselves from the Quevilly-Rouen Métropole organisation set up last year. This won't have a material affect on any teams in the National league structure.

FC Chartres (N2) and Chartres Horizon (N3) look likely to merge - presumably with the reserves of the merged team taking the N3 place.

FC Drouais (N3) are under threat of folding, blaming the fact that their municipal grant has been reduced - they haven'd changed leagues, but because CFA2 was a "nationally administered" league and National 3 is "regionally administered" the municipality have taken advantage of the rules.

FC Limoges (N2) are effectively bankrupt and more than likely to fold at the end of the season.


hawkwind
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Level three concludes over the first two Fridays in May. Of the 17 clubs, 15 mathematically, 14 excluding Rodez, still have something to play for.

At the top Red Star (54) need a point and Grenoble (48) six to guarantee promotion, both clubs are assured of a top three place. Béziers (48) need one point to guarantee a play-off/play-out, would go up directly if they score more points than Grenoble over the last two matchdays.

Rodez (45), in fourth, have only one game to play and require a win, plus two defeats for Béziers, plus overturning an eight goal deficit. I suggest that that won't happen. Laval (41) are in no-mans land.

And then it becomes interesting with eleven clubs still involved in the battle to avoid being one of the two clubs relegated with Créteil (25).

41 is mathematical safety, due to the remaining fixtures that number guaranteeing a place in the top 13. Three clubs could finish on 40 in which case head-to-head then general goal difference will decide. Concarneau (39), Boulogne (39), Chambly (39), Dunkerque (38), Cholet (38) and Lyon Duchère (38) have the opportunity to reach safety today. Avranches (37) are next. Then come Entente SSG (37) but with only one fixture left and who sit out this round. Next are Pau (36). Then on to the two clubs currently in the relegation positions. First are Les Herbiers (36) whose remaining fixtures are Laval (H) followed by Paris Saint-Germain (Coupe de France Final @ Stade de France) then Béziers (A). It's far more likely that Les Herbiers will be playing level four football next season rather than playing in the Europa League Group Stage but theoretically they could be doing both, and let's be honest if Luxembourg can draw in France then Les Herbiers could win a penalty shoot-out after a heroic two hours goalless draw. More likely PSG will score eight. I imagine it will be very difficult for the Les Herbiers players to focus on the game against Laval tonight. Finally we have Consolat Marseille (34) who could do with a win at Boulogne to set up the last day visit of Dunkerque.

Rare that this many clubs in a single division are involved in promotion-relegation issues this late in the season although a glance at rsssf shows that this is far from the most tightly bunched group in football history.


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Rare that this many clubs in a single division are involved in promotion-relegation issues this late in the season although a glance at rsssf shows that this is far from the most tightly bunched group in football history.


Yes, it doesn't quite match this section of Romanis D3 in 1983-4

1.Muresul Deva 30 38
2.UMT Timisoara 30 31
3.Mecanica Orastie 30 31
4.Minerul Paroseni 30 31
5.Minerul Moldova-Noua 30 30
6.Minerul Stiinta Vulcan 30 30
7.Metalul Bocsa 30 29
8.Dacia Orastie 30 29
9.Minerul Certej 30 29
10.Metalul Otelu-Rosu 30 29
11.Minerul Anina 30 29
12.Victoria Calan 30 29
13.Constructorul Timisoara 30 29
14.Minerul Oravita 30 29
15.Minerul Ghelar 30 29
16.Minerul Aninoasa 30 28


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Rare that this many clubs in a single division are involved in promotion-relegation issues this late in the season although a glance at rsssf shows that this is far from the most tightly bunched group in football history.


Yes, it doesn't quite match this section of Romanis D3 in 1983-4

1.Muresul Deva 30 38
2.UMT Timisoara 30 31
3.Mecanica Orastie 30 31
4.Minerul Paroseni 30 31
5.Minerul Moldova-Noua 30 30
6.Minerul Stiinta Vulcan 30 30
7.Metalul Bocsa 30 29
8.Dacia Orastie 30 29
9.Minerul Certej 30 29
10.Metalul Otelu-Rosu 30 29
11.Minerul Anina 30 29
12.Victoria Calan 30 29
13.Constructorul Timisoara 30 29
14.Minerul Oravita 30 29
15.Minerul Ghelar 30 29
16.Minerul Aninoasa 30 28


Also odd that half the teams are called 'Minerul'. Presumably this was a regional division based in a mining area.

 
 


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