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Bantam Cymraeg
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Maybe 20 or more years ago friendlies were more watchable. In those days clubs played maybe 3-4 friendlies as part of their pre-season training. Nowadays, especially for clubs lower down the pyramid, they have maybe a couple of training sessions and then go on to play a dozen or more friendlies in lieu of further training. They generally aren't organised with spectators in mind, with varying venues, multiple substitutions, varying playing periods and usually a "lets look at as many players in as many different positions as possible" attitude.

I can understand if people follow a team and want to see new players and how the team is shaping up for the season. For neutrals to travel any sort of distance to watch a random PSF and expect to be entertained is somewhat deluded (and a bit bonkers IMO). It's many years since I've watched one, even longer since I watched one as a neutral, and I'm unlikely to watch one ever again.

But as they say, each to their own Tongue


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In those days clubs played maybe 3-4 friendlies as part of their pre-season training. Nowadays, especially for clubs lower down the pyramid, they have maybe a couple of training sessions and then go on to play a dozen or more friendlies in lieu of further training.

Thought I'd check Ware's PSF record. Until the 1950s we played no, one or two PSFs every year. Through the 1950s we appear to have played none. We played one in 1963 with a slow rise until 1975 by which time we were playing 4 each year. It was down to 3 in 1976 but that was the first year in which the Herts Charity Cup started in pre-season.

The 80s and 90s saw a slight rise to 5 per year (plus the Charity Cup) with the current century creeping above that to 6 or 7 with 8 on a couple of occasions. 2016 saw us have 9 PSFs leading me to ask what was happening to actual training, the answer being that then manager Ken Charlery believed fitness came from playing not training (which didn't answer the wider point about e.g. drills for certain dead ball situations and the like). This year the number has dropped to five PSFs.

Clearly in the current situation quantity has affected quality, the latter not being helped by the difficulty of getting any of the bigger clubs to supply teams for PSFs nowadays. So these games will, I agree, be mostly of attraction to die hard fans only.


ladderman
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I'm afraid the sad fact is Frank de Boer doesn't give a shit about Maidstone United, or any other football club not called Crystal Palace. And when he leaves them, he won't give a shit about Crystal Palace, either.
He's not alone, PL clubs don't give a toss about anything outside their own world. West Ham won't even mention on their website that they're sending a third string side to Stortford today. I know of a PL club who ask to share gate receipts on a cup tie basis when they send their under-18s to step 3 & 4 clubs.


Ashtree RockBee
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Meanwhile, slightly down the food chain, pleasing news of an 'about face'.

Bognor Regis Town regularly (virtually every season) have a pre-season friendly against Portsmouth. A few weeks ago, new Pompey manager Kenny Jackett announced he was breaking with tradition and sending a youth team instead of the first team squad, at which point Bognor pulled the plug.

This Monday, it was announced the friendly was back on and at very short notice - Portsmouth were meant to be playing at Eastleigh today, but the game was called off earlier this week due to problems with Eastleigh's pitch. Portsmouth asked if Bognor would play today instead, and Jackett confirmed a strong first-team based side would appear at Nyewood Lane.

Thus, with five days' notice, and with no home game booked for a while, Bognor had to ask Chichester City to cancel a friendly (which they very graciously agreed to), sort out the goalposts, cut the grass, mark the pitch, and order a marquee for spectator drinks in the car park due to the clubhouse being booked months ago for a wedding. The result was a 1.30 kick-off, a 2-0 win for Pompey in front of around 1,800 spectators and a win-win for both clubs.


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Eastleigh went and played Didcot who cancelled a friendly against Flackwell Heath at short notice. Luckily Buckingham Athletic came to the rescue and played Flackwell at short notice. They had a pitch booked at Bisham Abbey. Didcot asked Oxford United fans to go along to bolster numbers but they are all on a Jolly in Portugal except for Chris.


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Lowestofts PSF v Norwich went ahead last weekend, having been cancelled last year due to a flooded pitch.

As promised Norwich sent their first team squad and used no less than 20 players. A good leg stretching excersise for both outfits and a fitting tribute to Mick Chapman, our long serving player/manager, as it doubled as his testimonial.

It seems that some PL/FL clubs do honour their promises.
Take note Ronald!


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Thus, with five days' notice, and with no home game booked for a while, Bognor had to ask Chichester City to cancel a friendly (which they very graciously agreed to), sort out the goalposts, cut the grass, mark the pitch, and order a marquee for spectator drinks in the car park due to the clubhouse being booked months ago for a wedding. The result was a 1.30 kick-off, a 2-0 win for Pompey in front of around 1,800 spectators and a win-win for both clubs.


Oh, to have your wedding day at a proper hopper-porn non-league ground, with Pompey winning on the pitch outside!

It's the stuff of dreams, my friends!! Cool





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When I was young it was Probables v Possibles or Reds v Blues and we still went along to watch!
Mustard been keen or keen as mustardLaugh

The Probables just turned out to show us a few of their tricks and the Possibles tried to kick them up in the air!


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Ashtree RockBee
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Oh, to have your wedding day at a proper hopper-porn non-league ground, with Pompey winning on the pitch outside!

It's the stuff of dreams, my friends!! Cool


I'm not sure when the reception was booked for, hence the early kick-off, but I admit it's an ever so slight clash of situations... and not the first time Bognor have had a rescheduled game with the clubhouse already booked for a wedding function!

Wasn't it legend that some couples would get married in Gretna Green early afternoon and they (or just the groom) would then head off to a Scottish League match in the town?


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DaveU
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I lost interest in friendlies quite a few years ago. They are just glorified training sessions. Understand why people go but personally just don't see the attraction.

In most cases you're right, but our friendly against Palace was billed as the 5th anniversary celebration of the opening of the Gallagher Stadium. In the end, their U23s were a very good side and it was a decent game of football for the first 70 minutes, after which the substitutions took their inevitable toll on proceedings. However, it had been advertised as a Palace first team game and priced accordingly. I'm fairly sure we wouldn't have attracted over 4000 including about 1000 Palace had they known it was a U23 game.



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And why do Maidstone feel the need to bill a fixture as the 5th anniversary celebration of the opening of the ground? Dear oh dear the game has gone mad!



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ladderman
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Well, when you haven't got much history.....






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And why do Maidstone feel the need to bill a fixture as the 5th anniversary celebration of the opening of the ground? Dear oh dear the game has gone mad!


The Oxford City v United match was to mark the opening of the upgraded Court Place Farm and to celebrate the first game on the 3G pitch. And nearly 2,300 fell for that one, at 12 a pop.


Deaf Leopard
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Great Wakering always had a PSF against a strong Southend United team. It always used to get up to a thousand in early July. However a couple of years ago, Southend at short notice sent a youth team instead, and haven't been back since. A huge hole in Wakering's finances.


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Don't go to friendlies much but in 1986 Hailsham had a pre season friendly against Southampton.

The Southampton team that showed up wasn't as strong as most people thought was going to be in attendance. To be fair, someone from Southampton (can't recall who) did apologise over the tannoy.

The disappointment didn't end when the game started, as the Southampton team didn't get into the spirit of things and insisted on playing an offside trap.

Things got even more surreal after Hailsham had been caught offside for the umpteenth time. Myself and others started sarcastically clapping the Southampton players, telling them not to kill the game. At which point, the linesman thought we were criticising him (we weren't) and offered to take us all on after the match!

For the record, we left the ground without incident



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Not your first or last case of mistaken identity - remember when you were giving someone flak at Whyteleafe and their rather large centre half thought you were referring to him and started walking in our direction before you told him he wasn't the subject of your ire? Sly

PS - See you for meat and ale very soon.


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During my time at the Andover Advertiser, it was the now defunct Andover FC's 125th anniversary, or something and they set up a celebration pre season match with the now equally defunct Salisbury City. All was in place until a couple of weeks before the day when Salisbury announced they had lined up a home match with Swindon Town on the following night. Unsurprisingly they fielded a batch of kids plus Tommy Widdrington who was twice the age of anyone else on the pitch.
My piece included the suggestion that the Salisbury side were given warm milk and rusks at half time instead of tea, to which the Andover manager went nuts accusing me of disrespecting Salisbury and we never spoke again!
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The squad Luton sent to Hitchin was the academy - they sent the same squad to Potton on Friday with the addition of Danny Green who was coming back from injury.


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I went to watch Northampton Town play a pre-season friendly at Diss Town. They'd won the FA Vase the previous season and we were er, crap. Our first team would have struggled let alone the kids we put out. Half time saw Diss 7 - 0 up before they eased up in the second to win 9-0.
Had a similar experience at.Racing Club Warwick who scored 6 against us! I don't bother nowadays.


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As part of the transfer of a player from Folkestone to Millwall, the latter were contractually obliged to send their 1st team down for friendly recently

Being their normal, charming selves Millwall of course reneged and sent a youth/development team


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Bristol Rovers sent an XI down to Taunton tonight for a friendly.
The match sec extricated a team list from them before and produced a team sheet only for it to bear little resemblance to who was actually on the pitch...and the press guy was given three different names for who scored the first goal.
Why is it so difficult for FL clubs to provide the basics?


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Bristol Rovers sent an XI down to Taunton tonight for a friendly.
The match sec extricated a team list from them before and produced a team sheet only for it to bear little resemblance to who was actually on the pitch...and the press guy was given three different names for who scored the first goal.
Why is it so difficult for FL clubs to provide the basics?

Rovers first team squad are in Portugal. Were Taunton not aware of that?



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Jaundiced Hack
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Not a problem with who played as the club knew that, it was the lack of info as to who they were and the fact that the Rovers staff gave the Sec a list of names with numbers and then they played in different shirts which made the press men's job impossible.
In truth it was a good game played positively with few substitutions but it would have been nice to know the Rovers players involved .


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Saw Sheffield Wednesday play at Brid Town around 2003, against what we were led to believe would be their 1st team. Turns out it was against their youth side (Wednesday still won 3-0).


This policy rather backfired in 2011 when Alfreton beat Sheffield Wednesday 14-0 in a PSF.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/...4-0-defeat-1-3654394

By all accounts it was Wednesday's youth team, although many reports referred to it as a "youthful Wednesday team" which is a very different spin. Either way, mud sticks. So infamous was the defeat that a Facebook group was created in its honour.



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Isaac
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Following Crystal Palace's decision to send the under 23s to Maidstone this week when both clubs' websites had advertised it as a first team fixture, I was wondering how many other people had been let down by "big" clubs not fulfilling their promise to send a strong team. This game is sold out, including around 800 Palace fans who must be feeling equally let down is this was their only pre-season first team fixture in the UK.


I've heard some Stones fans who went expressing their anger, were either club obligated to state who would and wouldn't be playing in advance?

Personally I wouldn't cross the road to watch a pre season friendly whoever was playing but each to their own choice on the matter.


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