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drawoh
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Some postings were made early in the new season's errors and corrections thread about possible changes to the coverage within the main site. These are worthy of a thread of their own, so I've copied the relevant comments here, and any further discussion can follow.

Here’s what’s been said so far:


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(from Sarumio)
I’d maybe also suggest the site stops covering the many lower divisions of the South Devon League that are just filled with reserve teams that very few have any interest in, and maybe scrap coverage of the odd league like the East Berks League and focus more on divisions that are actually much higher up like the Aylesbury and Wycombe Leagues whose top divisions feed into the SSML Div Two, making them effectively Step 8 divisions



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(from dottirofhod)
As I occasionally helped John inputting results it got to the stage that I told him I would help but not the South Devon or York lower divs , their a pain , who's interested in XX Res v YYY 5ths ?
It would help if people who are supposed to be looking after leagues did so !Fixtures always there results not so.



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(from Hitchin-John)
Regarding the South Devon fixtures and results. There were so many changes to fixtures on the FA Full Time Site that it became almost impossible to determine the latest fixtures.

For the last few months of last season, it was easier to create NO fixtures but I made a point of copying results from Full Time to NLM on completion of the games. This ensured that both sites agreed but NLM lost it's prime objective of displaying fixtures in advance (min 2 weeks ) for our viewers.

Quite happy to see additional leagues, but happier still to see more Editors to maintain them.



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(from steve walker)
I think what happened with the South Devon and York was that back in the day someone would come along and say "please please add all divisions for this League and I will maintain it cross my heart" and then buggered off.
We could remove the South Devon altogether since it is such a pain and maybe also remove all but the top two divisions of the York.
As for adding leagues, yes it's really down to more Editors or there are 7 Admins plus myself who have access to all divisions. I can try and input a bit more than I do as I think Hitchin John probably does way more than he should need to so sure, we can add more leagues if we get more editors and more admin input. So I will leave it up to them to decide, it's voluntary after all, not a job.



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(from Sarumio)
In an ideal world for the new season I would advocate

Removing
South Devon League Div Two, Three, Four and Five
East Berkshire League Div One and Two
York League Div Two, Three and Four
Aldershot & District League
All but the top Two divisions of the Bedfordshire County League

Adding
Lincolnshire League (Step 7)
Aylesbury & District League Premier Division (Step 8)
Wycombe & District League Senior Division (Step 8)
Durham Alliance Combination League (Step 8)

Other divisions at notional Step 8 level that it could be argued are “less important” or of lower standard that are not currently covered on the site are the following

Swindon & District League and Trowbridge & District League (whose top divisions are both direct feeders to the Step 7 Wiltshire League)

Boston & District League, East Lincolnshire Combination, Scunthorpe & District League (whose top divisions are all direct feeders to the newly upgraded Step 7 Lincolnshire League)

But maybe they could be catered for if the site stopped covering some of the third tiers of current Step 7 divisions (like the WRCAL Div Two and the Notts Senior Legaue Div Two)

Maybe it’s best to cover all Step 7 and (notional) Step 8 divisions first and then see what else can be sensibly covered after that?

I could help out with updating some of the new ones if needed!



drawoh
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(from Sarumio)
In an ideal world for the new season I would advocate

Removing
South Devon League Div Two, Three, Four and Five
East Berkshire League Div One and Two
York League Div Two, Three and Four
Aldershot & District League
All but the top Two divisions of the Bedfordshire County League


As part of the exercise of migrating to the new season, we are initially migrating only down to what is called Step 8 (or Level 12). That has the effect of removing almost all of the above, together with the lower divisions of some other leagues. We can extend this, and remove completely some of the leagues whose highest division is at Step 8 / Level 12. This would take out the Aldershot & District League too.

These divisions aren't actually removed (and so can easily be reinstated if desired). They can be found, still under the "Steps 7+" tab, but almost at the bottom, under "ZX 2017 Holding League". However, they only cover seasons up to and including 2016–17.

I know that many people will want to see coverage of some of these divisions, so I am proposing that we make lower divisions of a league available only in response to a firm offer to edit the league for the coming season. Because personal circumstances can change from season to season, even if you were the nominated editor for a league last season, can you please re-apply for the 2017–18 season. Do so in this thread, if you wish.



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(also from Sarumio)
Adding
Lincolnshire League (Step 7)
Aylesbury & District League Premier Division (Step 8)
Wycombe & District League Senior Division (Step 8)
Durham Alliance Combination League (Step 8)


Lincolnshire, definitely - it has been awarded Step 7 status. This will be added once the league's website has been updated with the constitution for the new season.

Regarding the others, there is no such thing as Step 8. On the main site here, for convenience we call Level 12 Step 8. And when I last looked closely at a listing of the Level 12 divisions (a couple of seasons ago) it seemed that all of those divisions were covered (as Step 8) here on the main site. However, I've since looked into the pyramid structure elsewhere, and learned that there is no official definition of Level 12 either. A number of attempts have been made to produce a full structure, and some of these have been published on various websites. Some have not been changed since they were first published, and therefore become out of date quickly, others, notably the structure on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/...otball_league_system, are updated frequently. I see that the Aylesbury, Wycombe and Durham leagues mentioned above are all included at Level 12 of the current edition of the Wiki list, but then so are many other that we are not covering here on NLM. So where do we stop?

The rationale behind being included at Level 12 (certainly on the Wiki list) is:
a division is included if it is either
(a) one level subordinate to a Level 11 division in the same league
(b) the top division of a league which is a recognised feeder league to a Level 11 division

(a) is simple, whereas (b) can be very subjective, as feeders are not always identified as such. And that's one reason why no listing of the football league structure below Level 11 can be regarded as definitive.

If we were to include coverage of all divisions in Wiki's Level 12 list, we could well end up with cancelling out any time-saving benefit achieved by removing some of the lower divisions. So how can we proceed?

Here's a possible suggestion.

How about something similar to what I have suggested earlier, and that is that we add coverage of a league whose top division is identified in Wiki's Level 12 ONLY in response to a firm commitment from someone to edit that league?



Further comments by anyone to Sumurio's postings, or to my response, would be very welcome!


PaulC
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I have been maintaining West lancashire League Division Two and wish to continue to do so. I'd already migrated it to 2017-18 but I see it is currently a"ZX 2017 Holding League".


drawoh
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I have been maintaining West lancashire League Division Two and wish to continue to do so. I'd already migrated it to 2017-18 but I see it is currently a"ZX 2017 Holding League".

Excellent! Re-instated. As will any other for which we get a definite editing offer.


dottirofhod
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Jul 6, 2017, 11:39 AM

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Leagues I upkeep.
ADD Cheshire D 2
&
Manchester D 2.


Hod.
About time we had update of which leagues have moderators for 17/18.




July 1, 2018 to June 30,2019 = 95 / 78 / 17. (You know my rules) @ 21 /10 /2018.(Only 7 x 0-0's).
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-2-1 ) Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 2 - 1 ).
Scotland Senior 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-(EastofS -1 NofS 0 - SouthofS -2 -( Junior. (0-0-0)-(0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
N I = 0-0-5. ROI =0-0-( Leinster-2 , Munster-2, Ulster -0.) Wales =0- (0-0).
Scan Den=1-1, Faroes=8, Fin=0-2, Ice=0-3, Nor=0-9, Swe=0-1. Baltics Est= 0, Lat= 2, Lith=1.


drawoh
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Leagues I upkeep.
ADD Cheshire D 2
&
Manchester D 2.


Hod.

Cheshire D2 re-instated and migrated to new season

Regarding Manchester, it doesn't appear as if we were covering Division 2 last season. Do you want it added?



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About time we had update of which leagues have moderators for 17/18.

Hopefully, we'll be able to assemble a list as a result of this exercise.


dottirofhod
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Jul 6, 2017, 12:03 PM

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D2 wasn't covered last season as it was a Reserve division, the Manchester league has added enough clubs to start a mostly first team D3 for 17/18.
Ta.




July 1, 2018 to June 30,2019 = 95 / 78 / 17. (You know my rules) @ 21 /10 /2018.(Only 7 x 0-0's).
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-2-1 ) Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 2 - 1 ).
Scotland Senior 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-(EastofS -1 NofS 0 - SouthofS -2 -( Junior. (0-0-0)-(0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
N I = 0-0-5. ROI =0-0-( Leinster-2 , Munster-2, Ulster -0.) Wales =0- (0-0).
Scan Den=1-1, Faroes=8, Fin=0-2, Ice=0-3, Nor=0-9, Swe=0-1. Baltics Est= 0, Lat= 2, Lith=1.


drawoh
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D2 wasn't covered last season as it was a Reserve division, the Manchester league has added enough clubs to start a mostly first team D3 for 17/18.
Ta.

Will probably get it added later today.

Later: Now done.


(This post was edited by drawoh on Jul 6, 2017, 3:50 PM)


Mark_a_Wood
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Jul 26, 2017, 5:35 PM

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I edited all four divisions of the Staffordshire County Senior League last season and would be willing to edit all three divisions of the league for the forthcoming season (and have already added league fixtures for the Premier Division and Division One + cup draws).


I would like to continue to act as the editor for the new single, merged Division Two as well if the new format for the division could be added to the site by members of the admin team.


drawoh
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I edited all four divisions of the Staffordshire County Senior League last season and would be willing to edit all three divisions of the league for the forthcoming season (and have already added league fixtures for the Premier Division and Division One + cup draws).


I would like to continue to act as the editor for the new single, merged Division Two as well if the new format for the division could be added to the site by members of the admin team.

Many thanks. I'll get the merged Division Two available within the next day or two.


drawoh
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Jul 27, 2017, 7:16 AM

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Staffs Division Two is now set up and ready for use.

I've not yet amended the linking to and from this division, but will do this shortly.

Many thanks, once again, for editing this league!


Mark_a_Wood
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Thanks for doing that drawoh, Div.2 fixtures for August now added.


Could you edit the names of two teams in Division One of the Staffs County Senior League for me? Ossma Blurton should be Ossma Blurton TTFC and Shenstone Pathfinder Reserves should be Shenstone Pathfinder.


drawoh
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Could you edit the names of two teams in Division One of the Staffs County Senior League for me? Ossma Blurton should be Ossma Blurton TTFC and Shenstone Pathfinder Reserves should be Shenstone Pathfinder.

Both now done. The Shenstone change was not quite as straightforward as Ossma, which is why it took a little longer. Hope all's ok now.


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Can't help wondering if there's a way to do cups, as it's one area that's missing from the fixtures search?

I wouldn't have thought there'd be much difficulty getting editors for cup/trophy/vase or county / league cups.



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Is it possible for this site to stop covering:

East Berks League
North Berks League
Midlands Regional Alliance
Aldershot & District League

All the above now below Step 8.

Is it possible to, instead, cover the following divisions that I feel more people would be interested in seeing coverage of, than the above!

Wearside's new Step 8 division.
Hellenic Division Two East and Division Two West
Central Midlands Division One North and South Divisions


dottirofhod
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Jul 19, 2018, 11:11 AM

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With 9 of 14 teams in Cheshire League D2 now Reserves I'm dropping it , any comments ?




7 of 14 are now Reserves in Manchester Div 2 , contemplating same. Any more comments , agree or not !




July 1, 2018 to June 30,2019 = 95 / 78 / 17. (You know my rules) @ 21 /10 /2018.(Only 7 x 0-0's).
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-2-1 ) Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 2 - 1 ).
Scotland Senior 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-(EastofS -1 NofS 0 - SouthofS -2 -( Junior. (0-0-0)-(0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
N I = 0-0-5. ROI =0-0-( Leinster-2 , Munster-2, Ulster -0.) Wales =0- (0-0).
Scan Den=1-1, Faroes=8, Fin=0-2, Ice=0-3, Nor=0-9, Swe=0-1. Baltics Est= 0, Lat= 2, Lith=1.


drawoh
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Can't help wondering if there's a way to do cups, as it's one area that's missing from the fixtures search?

I wouldn't have thought there'd be much difficulty getting editors for cup/trophy/vase or county / league cups.


My understanding is that the software governing the main site is geared only to league competitions. A major rewrite would be necessary to enable a knock-out cup format to be covered.

If we could cover cups, then the annual play-off competitions at Steps 1 to 4 would certainly have been covered, as well as many of those competitions which you've mentioned.


drawoh
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Is it possible for this site to stop covering:

East Berks League
North Berks League
Midlands Regional Alliance
Aldershot & District League

All the above now below Step 8.

Is it possible to, instead, cover the following divisions that I feel more people would be interested in seeing coverage of, than the above!

Wearside's new Step 8 division.
Hellenic Division Two East and Division Two West
Central Midlands Division One North and South Divisions


I support almost everything you've said here.

The only item I have issue with is the addition of Hellenic's Division Twos. I believe that those two divisions are intended for reserve teams, and that promotion / relegation does not occur between the Division Ones and the Division Twos.

Apart from Hellenic, all your other suggestions will be adopted.

Later: East and North Berks, Midlands Regional Alliance, and Aldershot now assigned to ZX 2018 Holding League, from which they can easily be recovered if necessary.


(This post was edited by drawoh on Jul 20, 2018, 7:31 AM)


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With 9 of 14 teams in Cheshire League D2 now Reserves I'm dropping it , any comments ?

7 of 14 are now Reserves in Manchester Div 2 , contemplating same. Any more comments , agree or not !


Agree on both counts.

Cheshire will be implemented forthwith. Manchester will await the outcome of your contemplations.


Later: Cheshire D2 assigned to ZX 2018 Holding League, from which it can easily be recovered if necessary.


(This post was edited by drawoh on Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 AM)


Sarumio
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Is it possible for this site to stop covering:

East Berks League
North Berks League
Midlands Regional Alliance
Aldershot & District League

All the above now below Step 8.

Is it possible to, instead, cover the following divisions that I feel more people would be interested in seeing coverage of, than the above!

Wearside's new Step 8 division.
Hellenic Division Two East and Division Two West
Central Midlands Division One North and South Divisions


I support almost everything you've said here.

The only item I have issue with is the addition of Hellenic's Division Twos. I believe that those two divisions are intended for reserve teams, and that promotion / relegation does not occur between the Division Ones and the Division Twos.

Apart from Hellenic, all your other suggestions will be adopted.

Later: East and North Berks, Midlands Regional Alliance, and Aldershot now assigned to ZX 2018 Holding League, from which they can easily be recovered if necessary.


Here is where I argue my case.

You say its for reserves and thats there's no relegation between them the D2s and the D1s.

Whilst true on paper, the reality is quite clearly not the case. And whilst it does not hold Step 7 status (they are pseudo-Step 8 divisions in reality), both of the above do happen.
This season there are 13 first teams playing in the Hellenic D2s - more than in the CML Division Ones.

Although no formal promotion and relegation arrangements are in place, this summer alone, saw 4 teams drop from the D1s to Div Two, whilst 3 D2 clubs stepped up to D1.

Of course will respect any final decision (But they're results and fixtures are in the same place as the rest of the league so that would make it easier to cover....)


dottirofhod
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Jul 20, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Yep, do same with Manchester league please.




July 1, 2018 to June 30,2019 = 95 / 78 / 17. (You know my rules) @ 21 /10 /2018.(Only 7 x 0-0's).
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-2-1 ) Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 2 - 1 ).
Scotland Senior 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-(EastofS -1 NofS 0 - SouthofS -2 -( Junior. (0-0-0)-(0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
N I = 0-0-5. ROI =0-0-( Leinster-2 , Munster-2, Ulster -0.) Wales =0- (0-0).
Scan Den=1-1, Faroes=8, Fin=0-2, Ice=0-3, Nor=0-9, Swe=0-1. Baltics Est= 0, Lat= 2, Lith=1.


drawoh
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In Reply To

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Is it possible for this site to stop covering:

East Berks League
North Berks League
Midlands Regional Alliance
Aldershot & District League

All the above now below Step 8.

Is it possible to, instead, cover the following divisions that I feel more people would be interested in seeing coverage of, than the above!

Wearside's new Step 8 division.
Hellenic Division Two East and Division Two West
Central Midlands Division One North and South Divisions


I support almost everything you've said here.

The only item I have issue with is the addition of Hellenic's Division Twos. I believe that those two divisions are intended for reserve teams, and that promotion / relegation does not occur between the Division Ones and the Division Twos.

Apart from Hellenic, all your other suggestions will be adopted.

Later: East and North Berks, Midlands Regional Alliance, and Aldershot now assigned to ZX 2018 Holding League, from which they can easily be recovered if necessary.


Here is where I argue my case.

You say its for reserves and thats there's no relegation between them the D2s and the D1s.

Whilst true on paper, the reality is quite clearly not the case. And whilst it does not hold Step 7 status (they are pseudo-Step 8 divisions in reality), both of the above do happen.
This season there are 13 first teams playing in the Hellenic D2s - more than in the CML Division Ones.

Although no formal promotion and relegation arrangements are in place, this summer alone, saw 4 teams drop from the D1s to Div Two, whilst 3 D2 clubs stepped up to D1.

Of course will respect any final decision (But they're results and fixtures are in the same place as the rest of the league so that would make it easier to cover....)

Thanks for your remarks about Hellenic Division Twos. I hadn't realised that the two divisions now contain quite as many first teams.

However, having now looked further at Hellenic, and also at Central Midlands and Wearside leagues, rather than being convinced that we should be including the Hellenic Twos, am now less inclined to support the addition of Central Midland Ones and the new Wearside divisions. The second Wearside division is not even called Division One (or Two), it's actually called a Development Division.

Do others (including those people who are editors allocated to Cental Midlands and Wearside) have views as to whether or not we should be including coverage of Hellenic Twos, Central Midlands Ones and Durham & Wearside Development?


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Yep, do same with Manchester league please.

Done


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Thanks for your remarks about Hellenic Division Twos. I hadn't realised that the two divisions now contain quite as many first teams.

However, having now looked further at Hellenic, and also at Central Midlands and Wearside leagues, rather than being convinced that we should be including the Hellenic Twos, am now less inclined to support the addition of Central Midland Ones and the new Wearside divisions. The second Wearside division is not even called Division One (or Two), it's actually called a Development Division.

Do others (including those people who are editors allocated to Cental Midlands and Wearside) have views as to whether or not we should be including coverage of Hellenic Twos, Central Midlands Ones and Durham & Wearside Development?

Perhaps we could consider using a "rule of thumb" to decide whether or not to include a division. Perhaps if more than a half or three-quarters (or some proportion) of the teams are not "first teams" then we shouldn't cover it?


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Perhaps we could consider using a "rule of thumb" to decide whether or not to include a division. Perhaps if more than a half or three-quarters (or some proportion) of the teams are not "first teams" then we shouldn't cover it?

Interesting suggestion, and one that has prompted me to have a look at the proportion of "reserve" or similarly named teams that are in the Step 6 and below divisions that we cover.

Indeed, 15 of the English divisions covered by NLM have at least the third of the teams as reserve teams. Of these, six divisions have at least 50% reserves, and one has more than 75% reserves. It is therefore unreasonable to reject inclusion of the suggested divisions on this basis alone.

So, back to the criteria which we usually tend to adopt – include if it's Step 8 or above. and include if it's Step 9 only if the league has a dedicated editor. As mentioned very early in this thread, the English League System is only defined down as far as Step 7/Level 11. https://en.wikipedia.org/...otball_league_system is probably the unofficial listing most often used for Step8/Level 12 and below. At present this includes the requested Central Midlands and divisions at Level 12. The second Wearside division was removed completely only a couple of weeks ago (possibly due to its name being changed to … Development Division). And the pair of Hellenic Division Twos do not appear anywhere. (Regarding dedicated editors, Central Midlands and Wearside both have editors; Hellenic does not.)

On this basis, we should include the Central Midlands divisions on NLM. However, the Durham and Wearside Development Division the Hellenic Twos should be held back until they are included at Level 12 in the Wiki listing or in another widely recognised listing.

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