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Unicorn
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May 26, 2017, 4:50 PM

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Crockenhill disappeared from Division one but not on the list of clubs relegated to step 7. Odd.


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Crockenhill disappeared from Division one but not on the list of clubs relegated to step 7. Odd.


Revised version published. Crockenhill Reprieved at Step 6.


Unicorn
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May 26, 2017, 7:36 PM

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Crockenhill disappeared from Division one but not on the list of clubs relegated to step 7. Odd.


Revised version published. Crockenhill Reprieved at Step 6.


Thanks. They soldier on for another season.


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Crockenhill disappeared from Division one but not on the list of clubs relegated to step 7. Odd.


Revised version published. Crockenhill Reprieved at Step 6.


Do you have a link to the revised list? And iis that the only change?


Unicorn
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May 26, 2017, 8:54 PM

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We actually seem to have 7 clubs that failed the grading in fact 8 if you include Orpington.
I thought it was only supposed to be 3 now reduced to 2.
If thats true it would seem that the league where unaware of this as well. How can that be?


Unicorn
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Interesting that the FA list Eltham Palace as a member of Div one but the league website says its Stansfeld.
How have they got around this. Have they just kept Eltham Palace registration number and changed the name to Stansfeld ?
Because the last i heard they could not fully amalgamate with Stansfeld Oxford and Bermonsey and stay in the higher division.


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May 27, 2017, 10:52 AM

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Interesting that the FA list Eltham Palace as a member of Div one but the league website says its Stansfeld.
How have they got around this. Have they just kept Eltham Palace registration number and changed the name to Stansfeld ?
Because the last i heard they could not fully amalgamate with Stansfeld Oxford and Bermonsey and stay in the higher division.


But it would seem that is exactly what Hackney Wick have managed to do in the ESL. Hackney Wick were a Middlesex County Division One club last season and by 'merging' with London Bari the Hackney Wick name jumps 3 steps.


Unicorn
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May 27, 2017, 11:42 AM

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Interesting that the FA list Eltham Palace as a member of Div one but the league website says its Stansfeld.
How have they got around this. Have they just kept Eltham Palace registration number and changed the name to Stansfeld ?
Because the last i heard they could not fully amalgamate with Stansfeld Oxford and Bermonsey and stay in the higher division.


But it would seem that is exactly what Hackney Wick have managed to do in the ESL. Hackney Wick were a Middlesex County Division One club last season and by 'merging' with London Bari the Hackney Wick name jumps 3 steps.


All very odd.
Regulation 6.5.5 says the merged club will ordinarily be place in the division of the lower club.
Of course that word ordinarily leaves it wide open for the FALC to do whatever they see as most expedient at the time.


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Unicorn
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May 28, 2017, 9:06 PM

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Interesting that the FA list Eltham Palace as a member of Div one but the league website says its Stansfeld.
How have they got around this. Have they just kept Eltham Palace registration number and changed the name to Stansfeld ?
Because the last i heard they could not fully amalgamate with Stansfeld Oxford and Bermonsey and stay in the higher division.


But it would seem that is exactly what Hackney Wick have managed to do in the ESL. Hackney Wick were a Middlesex County Division One club last season and by 'merging' with London Bari the Hackney Wick name jumps 3 steps.


Perhaps it only applies when both clubs are part of the NLS.


Unicorn
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May 29, 2017, 9:22 AM

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What is desperately needed in this area is a second step 7 division.
The ideal a few years ago would have been the South London Alliance but that has lost so many teams in recent years.
So a regionalised Kent County Premier is called for.
As each step 7 can only promote one club per season. Then as it stands every year how can the SCE Div One relegate two clubs. Each year the FALC will have to reprieve at least one because the system does not allow for a replacement.
Everyone seems to frown on clubs coming in from outside of the NLS but we seem to have run out of them anyway.
We need one division for South East London and the London Boroughs and one for Kent.
How many other step 5/6 divisions in the country have only one step 7 divisions feeding it?


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What is desperately needed in this area is a second step 7 division.
The ideal a few years ago would have been the South London Alliance but that has lost so many teams in recent years.
So a regionalised Kent County Premier is called for.
As each step 7 can only promote one club per season. Then as it stands every year how can the SCE Div One relegate two clubs. Each year the FALC will have to reprieve at least one because the system does not allow for a replacement.
Everyone seems to frown on clubs coming in from outside of the NLS but we seem to have run out of them anyway.
We need one division for South East London and the London Boroughs and one for Kent.
How many other step 5/6 divisions in the country have only one step 7 divisions feeding it?


I might be wrong, but I thought that the creation of regionalised step7 divisions in Sussex was at least in part, a solution for this? The 'Eastern Sussex' branch would feed the SCE1 while 'Western Sussex' & 'Mid-Sussex' branches continue to feed the SCom1.



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Unicorn
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May 29, 2017, 1:00 PM

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What is desperately needed in this area is a second step 7 division.
The ideal a few years ago would have been the South London Alliance but that has lost so many teams in recent years.
So a regionalised Kent County Premier is called for.
As each step 7 can only promote one club per season. Then as it stands every year how can the SCE Div One relegate two clubs. Each year the FALC will have to reprieve at least one because the system does not allow for a replacement.
Everyone seems to frown on clubs coming in from outside of the NLS but we seem to have run out of them anyway.
We need one division for South East London and the London Boroughs and one for Kent.
How many other step 5/6 divisions in the country have only one step 7 divisions feeding it?


I might be wrong, but I thought that the creation of regionalised step7 divisions in Sussex was at least in part, a solution for this? The 'Eastern Sussex' branch would feed the SCE1 while 'Western Sussex' & 'Mid-Sussex' branches continue to feed the SCom1.


OK. I hope you are right.
It would be doing it differently to what i would but would achieve the same result.


royboy
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Jun 25, 2017, 10:36 AM

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Constitution now on Full Time.


fromtheashes
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Jun 25, 2017, 9:35 PM

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SCEFL rules only allow for 1 club to be relegated each season.
At present that is the lowest placed club that do not hold a G grade.


Unicorn
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Jun 25, 2017, 9:46 PM

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SCEFL rules only allow for 1 club to be relegated each season.
At present that is the lowest placed club that do not hold a G grade.


The league put on their own website that they have no control over who is relegated from SCEDIV1 and that is down to the FALC. That was as recently as the last week in April.
Obviously it will usually be just one because the County League can only promote one from their step 7.
And there are no SCE rules they like everyone else has to use the standardised rules. Again there is a copy on the SCE website.

 
 


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