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alderman friend
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there is no a midland team will be I the isthmian league there are enough teams in thesouth east of England E G Essex,london, kent,surray ,sussex and parts of beds,bucks. herts andmaybe hants to get 82 teams in the 4 divisions.


The new step4 division isn't for the south east of England though!


Why is this point being continually missed.
The new leagues could be administered by a group of people in Kent. It would not mean it was for Kent clubs.
The new leagues could have been run by any of the 21 step 1-6 leagues thats why they were all asked.

but the isthmian league will not be running that the southern leaguewill


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It does not matter who runs anything.
As long as the division is reasonably geographically sensible.
Its totally irrelevant.
In this technological age you could run one of these leagues from Los Angeles.


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Well said Unicorn

I simply can not understand why people get hung up on names

The existing clubs have to fit in the structure somewhere
By putting extra leagues higher up (whatever you call them and whoever runs them) you achieve the objective of making the pyramid flatter and reducing travel overall

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The existing clubs have to fit in the structure somewhere
By putting extra leagues higher up (whatever you call them and whoever runs them) you achieve the objective of making the pyramid flatter and reducing travel overall

andrew c


But all this is to the detriment of the leagues below step 4. If I have understood this correctly, 20 teams will be pushed upwards next season, followed by 20 more when the new Step 4 division is added. Step 5 will therefore be missing the best 40 teams, with a consequent weakening of those leagues, and a knock on effect further down the pyramid. By the time this knock on effect reaches Step 7, some county leagues may struggle to continue. All this latest restructuring will do is add to the damage done in 2004.

The pyramid doesn't always work. What goes up doesn't often come down. The Western League has promoted 16 teams since 1992 - only Clevedon Town and Bridgwater Town have come back, and in consequence the standard of football in this and other Step 5 leagues is lamentable in comparison to earlier times.

Yes, travelling will be reduced, but, in some areas, for example the south west, not significantly. Can't see it making a huge difference myself....

As an alternative, get rid of Step 2, move those teams downwards and things just might improve. I do know it's about as likely as a Labour government, by the way....


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The existing clubs have to fit in the structure somewhere
By putting extra leagues higher up (whatever you call them and whoever runs them) you achieve the objective of making the pyramid flatter and reducing travel overall

andrew c


But all this is to the detriment of the leagues below step 4. If I have understood this correctly, 20 teams will be pushed upwards next season, followed by 20 more when the new Step 4 division is added. Step 5 will therefore be missing the best 40 teams, with a consequent weakening of those leagues, and a knock on effect further down the pyramid. By the time this knock on effect reaches Step 7, some county leagues may struggle to continue. All this latest restructuring will do is add to the damage done in 2004.

The pyramid doesn't always work. What goes up doesn't often come down. The Western League has promoted 16 teams since 1992 - only Clevedon Town and Bridgwater Town have come back, and in consequence the standard of football in this and other Step 5 leagues is lamentable in comparison to earlier times.

Yes, travelling will be reduced, but, in some areas, for example the south west, not significantly. Can't see it making a huge difference myself....

As an alternative, get rid of Step 2, move those teams downwards and things just might improve. I do know it's about as likely as a Labour government, by the way....



With the FA reducing step 5/6 down to 20 clubs per league. Then I don't think there's going to be many, if any extra clubs taken from step 7.


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With the FA reducing step 5/6 down to 20 clubs per league. Then I don't think there's going to be many, if any extra clubs taken from step 7.


The Hellenic League Premier Division currently has 18 teams, the Western League Premier Division has 20. The Wiltshire League ended the season with 14 clubs. There are problems ahead in this part of the world....


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Actually Tim I agree with you!

I would however achieve the same by getting rid of step 1 or even step 1 and 2 and regionalise FL2

But that won't happen so maybe step 6 and 7 should merge ; certainly somewhere we need to reduce the number of steps

However the latest move is an improvement and will not I think be the last

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The Northern League want less travelling at steps 3 & 4. I don't think they want a one off promotion of 6, 8, 10 , 12 of their clubs. I not sure if they would accept step 4 status if it meant losing Vase entry which I think they look at as an Amateur Cup substitute. If the NPL is split East / West as they would like the travelling is going to be to far due to lack of teams in the far north. The answer to blame the South East is a Red Herring as the drift is party down to them not promoting and partly to the NWC and NCE still more or less having the same footprints as in 1982 when they were step 3 leagues. Is there an answer? .

It's pooling that's to blame. Fix the boundaries and there'll be no drift ever.



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With the FA reducing step 5/6 down to 20 clubs per league. Then I don't think there's going to be many, if any extra clubs taken from step 7.


No. I haven't got time to go through all the step 5/6 divisions and count, but a 1-2-4-8 NLS needs 40 extra clubs even if step 4 does stay at 20 clubs, they're going to need to move clubs up from step 7. Even more so if they go for 1-2-4-8-16.
Even 1-2-4-7 has far too many clubs playing above the level they should be.


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With the FA reducing step 5/6 down to 20 clubs per league. Then I don't think there's going to be many, if any extra clubs taken from step 7.


No. I haven't got time to go through all the step 5/6 divisions and count, but a 1-2-4-8 NLS needs 40 extra clubs even if step 4 does stay at 20 clubs, they're going to need to move clubs up from step 7. Even more so if they go for 1-2-4-8-16.
Even 1-2-4-7 has far too many clubs playing above the level they should be.



I agree. Personally I think the NL & EFL2 should merge & regionalise North/South. Then have 4 leagues below them two leagues. This would reduce the number of clubs & would make more sense. But it's never going to happen. But I think the FA will push through this restructuring & then plan for a 1-2-4-8-16 pyramid down the line.


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But then you'd get teams finishing out of the relegation places being relegated just to maintain numbers. Swings and roundabouts,


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But then you'd get teams finishing out of the relegation places being relegated just to maintain numbers. Swings and roundabouts,


Not really, if you have flexible numbers in divisions.


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But then you'd get teams finishing out of the relegation places being relegated just to maintain numbers. Swings and roundabouts,


Not really, if you have flexible numbers in divisions.


How flexible would you be numbers wise?
If you're not adjusting who gets promoted or relegated you wouldn't have divisional drift but numbers drift.
I don't think 39 in the Isthmian Prem & 9 in the Southern Prem would be acceptable.


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How flexible would you be numbers wise?
If you're not adjusting who gets promoted or relegated you wouldn't have divisional drift but numbers drift.
I don't think 39 in the Isthmian Prem & 9 in the Southern Prem be acceptable.


You don't have to be that flexible past season 1 - define relegation positions as everything from 19th down (or whatever position it needs to be) and then if you need a reprieve or two that's fine.


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That's just not on. You can't reprieve poor teams just because of their geography.


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That's just not on. You can't reprieve poor teams just because of their geography.

why not? It works elsewhere


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That's just not on. You can't reprieve poor teams just because of their geography.


Why not? It works now from Step 5 downwards, as far as I know it works in Rugby Union and in other countries football pyramids too.


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Don't forget the Ground Gradings as well!

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