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Mr. T
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...the hostility towards people voting [Tory] is quite staggering verging on a lynch mob mentality.

Don't worry. It's just a certain element of the Left displaying its tolerance and understanding and its respect for diversity (of opinion). I suppose they have a point, though. After all, Tories eat babies and drown puppies for sport. Apparently.


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...the hostility towards people voting [Tory] is quite staggering verging on a lynch mob mentality.

Don't worry. It's just a certain element of the Left displaying its tolerance and understanding and its respect for diversity (of opinion). I suppose they have a point, though. After all, Tories eat babies and drown puppies for sport. Apparently.

But they want to reintroduce hunting with hounds so there would be no need to drown puppies any more. Vote Tory to save all the cuddly puppies. Sod the foxes. Tongue


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Just 29 minutes to flush one out!

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Some of these TongueTongue should have been in my reply to Part-Timer in the spirit of his message which I did not consider to be at all provocative or insulting.

However, it was predictable (and that's why I wrote it) that my HUGELY tongue-in-cheek reference to puppies would draw the response that it did.


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I can imagine the Tory majority going higher due to many people being to scared to admit voting for them,if going by other forums iv'e frequented the hostility towards people voting for them is quite staggering verging on a lynch mob mentality.



Without knowing which forums you are referring to specifically I would imagine that the demographic is probably significantly younger than it is on here. I don't actually collect user demographics so I am basing that purely on the make up of crowds at lower league games as I observe them. Not exactly scientific but probably right.

As we know, younger people are far more likely to vote for Labour, Greens or 'Other' particularly 18-24 year olds Source: http://www.if.org.uk/...general-election.pdf

Regarding the polls it will be interesting to see them this time next week once the manifestos have been discussed and filtered through to the data that the pollsters collect. We do seem to be back to two party politics and Labour are too far behind to prevent a Conservative majority but it may not be as huge as expected when the election was called.


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Election junk mail has been in short supply so far - Nowt from Tory, Lib or Green and the
Labour party have only sent stuff addressed to the males in the house, nowt for the females.!!

Obviously Labour are not bothered about the female vote, and the others are not wasting money
competing against Maggie Beckett


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Manifestos are nice for ideas, but I think what parties actually do when they're in power is far more important (sometimes it's the complete opposite).

If people are still wavering on who to vote for (not that many people seem to be), then I highly recommend buying a couple of issues of Private Eye before the election (or even subscribing - it's stupendously good value at £30 a year). It's miles ahead of the rest of the media in terms of the quality of its coverage of politics and government and criminally little of what it reports going on behind the scenes seems to make it into the newspapers or TV news (although its section on the print media will give you an idea). What you read will almost certainly infuriate you!


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Election junk mail has been in short supply so far - Nowt from Tory, Lib or Green and the
Labour party have only sent stuff addressed to the males in the house, nowt for the females.!!

Obviously Labour are not bothered about the female vote, and the others are not wasting money
competing against Maggie Beckett


You might want to double check whether your female relatives are registered to vote as parties generally send out stuff to all people on the electoral roll. The system for registering has changed recently and quite a few people have been caught out by it (I think something like 800,000 people dropped off the roll?)

I don't think I've had a single leaflet yet, although given the amount of elections we've had around here in the last few years, I'd be surprised if any of the local parties had any money left.


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Election junk mail has been in short supply so far - Nowt from Tory, Lib or Green and the
Labour party have only sent stuff addressed to the males in the house, nowt for the females.!!

Obviously Labour are not bothered about the female vote, and the others are not wasting money
competing against Maggie Beckett


You might want to double check whether your female relatives are registered to vote as parties generally send out stuff to all people on the electoral roll. The system for registering has changed recently and quite a few people have been caught out by it (I think something like 800,000 people dropped off the roll?)

I don't think I've had a single leaflet yet, although given the amount of elections we've had around here in the last few years, I'd be surprised if any of the local parties had any money left.


Both registered, always are, got our polling cards last week- the wife has taken offence, step-daughter cannot be bothered to vote


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Yes especially the Rotten Boroughs section!!


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Yes especially the Rotten Boroughs section!!



Absolutely! There are a great number of cynical old buggers on this forum judging from all the 'it will all end in tears' threads... and I include myself very firmly in that category.

I would have thought that Private Eye would be essential reading for all of us Mad


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Yes especially the Rotten Boroughs section!!


Yes, working in local government, it's always the first bit I turn to.

One council I was working at was featured almost every fortnight for a while, and rightly so.

Another regular featurer (also less so of late( has been Cotswold District Council, and I don't understand how there has not been some kind of major investigation into what's gone on with their planning department.


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Latest poll of polls (using this to try and get a balanced view) has Labour closing in a bit, latest projection:

Conservative 389
Labour 176
SNP 51
NI 18
LD 12
PC 3
Green 1

Conservative majority of 128. Down from highs of c190.


The problem with "polls of polls"!s that they use historic data. In a General Election campaign the changes in public opinion are rapid.

The latest poll, showing a big leap in the Labour vote, shows the Tory lead down to 66 seats.

Now that the public can see for itself, beyond the distortions of the right wing media, that May is a complete dud and that Corbyn's campaign, by contrast, has been very effective, there must be a few worried people at Tory HQ.

Expect the Tory smear machine to move into top gear.


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Latest poll of polls (using this to try and get a balanced view) has Labour closing in a bit, latest projection:

Conservative 389
Labour 176
SNP 51
NI 18
LD 12
PC 3
Green 1

Conservative majority of 128. Down from highs of c190.


The problem with "polls of polls"!s that they use historic data. In a General Election campaign the changes in public opinion are rapid.

The latest poll, showing a big leap in the Labour vote, shows the Tory lead down to 66 seats.

Now that the public can see for itself, beyond the distortions of the right wing media, that May is a complete dud and that Corbyn's campaign, by contrast, has been very effective, there must be a few worried people at Tory HQ.

Expect the Tory smear machine to move into top gear.


Yes you are right... poll of polls will include polls that are a little behind the times in a fast changing situation. Can you link to the poll showing the Tory lead down to 66 seats as I find that hard to believe this early when the manifesto data for both parties is yet to filter through in any significant way to the pollsters.


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Latest poll of polls (using this to try and get a balanced view) has Labour closing in a bit, latest projection:

Conservative 389
Labour 176
SNP 51
NI 18
LD 12
PC 3
Green 1

Conservative majority of 128. Down from highs of c190.


The problem with "polls of polls"!s that they use historic data. In a General Election campaign the changes in public opinion are rapid.

The latest poll, showing a big leap in the Labour vote, shows the Tory lead down to 66 seats.

Now that the public can see for itself, beyond the distortions of the right wing media, that May is a complete dud and that Corbyn's campaign, by contrast, has been very effective, there must be a few worried people at Tory HQ.

Expect the Tory smear machine to move into top gear.


Yes you are right... poll of polls will include polls that are a little behind the times in a fast changing situation. Can you link to the poll showing the Tory lead down to 66 seats as I find that hard to believe this early when the manifesto data for both parties is yet to filter through in any significant way to the pollsters.



I'm expecting one of the lowest voter turnouts in modern history. Mainly due to working class apathy with what's on offer. The only saving grace that could happen for the Labour Party, is the there's very few marginals that the Tories can win. We could see the Tories extend there majorities in former Labour seats.


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Thought Cotswold had merged a lot of it's procedures with West Oxfordshire in the last few years. Like South Oxfordshire and Vale of the White House also like Cherwell and South Northamptonshire.


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EDITED: Please don't just post links without any comment.
This is a debating forum... so say what you think and then post the link to support what you are saying if you want to as a reference


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EDITED: Please don't just post links without any comment.
This is a debating forum... so say what you think and then post the link to support what you are saying if you want to as a reference


It is an IF poll anyway...........



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EDITED: Please don't just post links without any comment.
This is a debating forum... so say what you think and then post the link to support what you are saying if you want to as a reference


You asked me to link to the poll. That's precisely what I did. Lest there be any misunderstanding I quoted your request for a link in my reply.



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Yes you are right... poll of polls will include polls that are a little behind the times in a fast changing situation. Can you link to the poll showing the Tory lead down to 66 seats as I find that hard to believe this early when the manifesto data for both parties is yet to filter through in any significant way to the pollsters.

Here is the link that you asked me for:

http://bit.ly/2pVVa8Q


(This post was edited by PaulC on May 19, 2017, 10:01 PM)


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It is an IF poll anyway...........


What's an IF poll?


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This is a debating forum… so say what you think and then post the link to support what you are saying if you want to as a reference


You know, I think Paul may be able to oblige there Cool


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Manifestos are nice for ideas, but I think what parties actually do when they're in power is far more important (sometimes it's the complete opposite).

If people are still wavering on who to vote for (not that many people seem to be), then I highly recommend buying a couple of issues of Private Eye before the election (or even subscribing - it's stupendously good value at £30 a year). It's miles ahead of the rest of the media in terms of the quality of its coverage of politics and government and criminally little of what it reports going on behind the scenes seems to make it into the newspapers or TV news (although its section on the print media will give you an idea). What you read will almost certainly infuriate you!


The front cover of the latest issue made me laugh out loud, as did the cartoon of the two foxes reading the newspaper headline May to bring back fox hunting and one saying to the other "I'm still voting for her".


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Yougov/Sunday Times. Theresa May Team lead halved in a week

Theresa May Team -5 44%
Labour +4 35%

Labour now ahead of Tories in London and on 39% in England.

Tory majority 46.


(This post was edited by PaulC on May 20, 2017, 9:59 PM)


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Labour getting votes back from UKIP, but not Tories, who stay steady at about 45%, Labour around 30%

In scotland, SNP have,40%, Tories on 28, and Labour a poor 3rd on 18


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Labour getting votes back from UKIP, but not Tories, who stay steady at about 45%, Labour around 30%

In scotland, SNP have,40%, Tories on 28, and Labour a poor 3rd on 18


The debacle of winter fuel payments for Scots, but not English & Welsh won't help down here.
No question that Labour have had a better week than Tories.
May might feel the need to debate Corbyn after all to remind everyone how she wipes the floor with him at PMQ's every week.


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May might feel the need to debate Corbyn after all to remind everyone how she wipes the floor with him at PMQ's every week.


Wiped the floor by being unable to answer a single question.

You're having a larf.

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