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MrTangerineMan
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I'm sure that many of us will have seen today's news about the terrible situation in East Africa.

20 million people across Sudan, Kenya, Somalia and Ethiopia are in danger of starving to death and this crisis sadly shows no signs of abating.

Is it now not time to drop the ban on GMO foods like Golden Rice which could help to keep these people from starvation?

There are a lot of scare stories about so-called 'Frankenfoods' but the reality is that species have crossed their genes throughout time. Indeed, a Sea Urchin has about 70% of Human genomes, so why the commotion about how mixing DNA is wrong? Indeed, some people (Patrick Moore, the founder of Greenpeace) go as far as to say that Humans themselves are 'genetically modified'.

The world's poor are suffering - is it time for a GMO re-think?


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I'm sure that many of us will have seen today's news about the terrible situation in East Africa.

20 million people across Sudan, Kenya, Somalia and Ethiopia are in danger of starving to death and this crisis sadly shows no signs of abating.

Is it now not time to drop the ban on GMO foods like Golden Rice which could help to keep these people from starvation?

There are a lot of scare stories about so-called 'Frankenfoods' but the reality is that species have crossed their genes throughout time. Indeed, a Sea Urchin has about 70% of Human genomes, so why the commotion about how mixing DNA is wrong? Indeed, some people (Patrick Moore, the founder of Greenpeace) go as far as to say that Humans themselves are 'genetically modified'.

The world's poor are suffering - is it time for a GMO re-think?

Most importantly, given Patrick Moore’s insistence that he is a founder of Greenpeace, is this statement by the organization:


Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace

Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cotes, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year.


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I don't see what wrong with GM crops and, as a vegan, I feel ashamed of the fact that a minority of vegans (whose motives are baffling) waste their time campaigning against GM crops.

Having said that, it needs to be made clear that famines in Africa today aren't caused by a lack of GM technology there. The main cause of these famines is war. War results in whole populations being forced to move away from their homes and therefore are unable to plant their crops. They may find themselves in areas where resources like clean water and food are scarce. Sending food aid does not always help, as militias and warlords tend to get to it before civilians (or at least those supporting the opposing side) do, and they also block access to relief agencies. The best thing you can do to prevent famines is to stop wars from happening.

It is particularly interesting to note that as well as the predictable areas in East Africa, another place sufffering from famine is north-east Nigeria. Nigeria is extremely wealthy compared with most other mid-African countries (Lagos in particular is in the process of being largely rebuilt in order to turn it into something approaching the standards of an European city) but this hasn't stopped it from suffering famine. The blame for this can be placed squarely on the Islamic terrorist group known as Boko Haram who have been oppressing their fellow Muslims. The overstretched Nigerian army, while having made some gains recently, cannot guarantee access to food aid from the wealthy and largely Christian south. All this goes to show that talk of GM crops is largely irrelevant at the present time.


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As someone who knows Africa well and has lived there, the answer to many of the problems raised here lies with the ludicrous modern day philosophy of being "politically correct."
The worse thing that ever happened to the continent was for the European nations to pull out leaving vacuums all over the place.


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As someone who knows Africa well and has lived there, the answer to many of the problems raised here lies with the ludicrous modern day philosophy of being "politically correct."
The worse thing that ever happened to the continent was for the European nations to pull out leaving vacuums all over the place.


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So leaving was worse than invading and plundering?


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If you knew and understood Africa you wouldn't make such stupid ignorant comments such as this


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If you knew and understood Africa you wouldn't make such stupid ignorant comments such as this



Stupid! Really? So white man came and civilised the black man did he? We showed them the benefits of slavery, genocide, stole there ancestral lands & much much more. But obviously I don't understand Africa & the worst thing to ever happen to Africa was we left? I'm not going to cast insults like you have, because I don't think it wins any arguments & just adds to them.


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You really don't have a clue


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You really don't have a clue



Have the Europeans left Africa as a basket case? Yes! Whose fault is it? The black mans? No! The white mans? Yes! Unless you can actually back your statements up with some actual debate then your posts are just pointless platitudes.


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Really? Have you lived in Africa? Travelled the continent? Seen the tribal vengences? As soon as Mugabe got hold of Zimbabwe there was mass extermination of the 17% of the N'bele tribe which lived there. Remember Idi Amin? Patrice Lumumba?
Sorry sonny. Anyone who gets their international views from the Daily Mirror or other such rags deserves to be told they have not got a clue.


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Surely the main cause of famine in Africa is over-population. War is often a symptom of this. It is not uncommon for African women to give birth to more than 10 children, although most will not survive to see their 5th birthday. The arid land they inhabit, just cannot support that number of people. There is no hope of addressing this problem in the foreseeable future as it would mean going against the religious beliefs of most of the people involved, also contraception is not usually available. India and China have recognized this problem and taken steps to limit population growth.
I have no problem with GMO crops and they will probably help fight famine in a limited way.



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Really? Have you lived in Africa? Travelled the continent? Seen the tribal vengences? As soon as Mugabe got hold of Zimbabwe there was mass extermination of the 17% of the N'bele tribe which lived there. Remember Idi Amin? Patrice Lumumba?
Sorry sonny. Anyone who gets their international views from the Daily Mirror or other such rags deserves to be told they have not got a clue.



I know exactly what happened in Zimbabwe. But who left the continent with discontent & resentment? That'll be the white man! If we'd never invaded, taken over & exploited these countries. Then Idi Amin, Patrice Lumumba & Mugabe would never have ruled the country? Unless you can actually come up with a valid reason why we invaded & took control of most of the continent. Then there is no point carrying this conversation on. Anyway I'm in my late 40's so please refrain from calling me sonny. I don't but any daily newspapers, so my views are my own. I doubt you'll answer the question that I posed & will probably post an answer that suits your narrative & add a condescending remarkUnimpressed


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Really? Have you lived in Africa? Travelled the continent? Seen the tribal vengences? As soon as Mugabe got hold of Zimbabwe there was mass extermination of the 17% of the N'bele tribe which lived there. Remember Idi Amin? Patrice Lumumba?
Sorry sonny. Anyone who gets their international views from the Daily Mirror or other such rags deserves to be told they have not got a clue.



I know exactly what happened in Zimbabwe. But who left the continent with discontent & resentment? That'll be the white man! If we'd never invaded, taken over & exploited these countries. Then Idi Amin, Patrice Lumumba & Mugabe would never have ruled the country? Unless you can actually come up with a valid reason why we invaded & took control of most of the continent. Then there is no point carrying this conversation on. Anyway I'm in my late 40's so please refrain from calling me sonny. I don't but any daily newspapers, so my views are my own. I doubt you'll answer the question that I posed & will probably post an answer that suits your narrative & add a condescending remarkUnimpressed


Not sure why you list Patrice Lumumba as one of the 'bad guys'. He was overthrown by the CIA because of his alleged communist leanings. His replacement in the Congo (Zaire)was the evil Mobutu.



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Really? Have you lived in Africa? Travelled the continent? Seen the tribal vengences? As soon as Mugabe got hold of Zimbabwe there was mass extermination of the 17% of the N'bele tribe which lived there. Remember Idi Amin? Patrice Lumumba?
Sorry sonny. Anyone who gets their international views from the Daily Mirror or other such rags deserves to be told they have not got a clue.



I know exactly what happened in Zimbabwe. But who left the continent with discontent & resentment? That'll be the white man! If we'd never invaded, taken over & exploited these countries. Then Idi Amin, Patrice Lumumba & Mugabe would never have ruled the country? Unless you can actually come up with a valid reason why we invaded & took control of most of the continent. Then there is no point carrying this conversation on. Anyway I'm in my late 40's so please refrain from calling me sonny. I don't but any daily newspapers, so my views are my own. I doubt you'll answer the question that I posed & will probably post an answer that suits your narrative & add a condescending remarkUnimpressed


Not sure why you list Patrice Lumumba as one of the 'bad guys'. He was overthrown by the CIA because of his alleged communist leanings. His replacement in the Congo (Zaire)was the evil Mobutu.



I never said they were good or bad guys. Just that they wouldn't have ruled there countries, if we'd never tried to rule & exploit the continent.

 
 


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