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leohoenig
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UEFA have announced there will be changes from 2018-19
They have not filled in all the details yet, but we know that

Four countries will now have four teams apiece, all with direct entry to the group stage, (barring some major change, the four will be Spain, England, Germany and Italy).

The club coefficients will change - this basically effects seeding and will give historic winners a seeding boost.

The money distribution will change. UEFA are promising a bigger cake, and hence more money even to those knocked out in qualifying, but one can bet that the bigger clubs are getting an even bigger slice

Meanwhile, to quote from UEFA, "A subsidiary company will be created that will play a strategic role in determining the future and the management of club competitions: UEFA Club Competitions SA, where half of the managing directors will be appointed by UEFA and the other half by the ECA".

Reading between the lines,
16 of the direct qualified teams to the Champions League will come from 4 Countries. Up to now, these countries have contributed 11 direct qualified teams, and a maximum of 15 teams. The 22 who directly qualify come from 12 countries at the moment, with a minimum of 17 (maximum of 20) countries represented at group stage. (It is 17 this season). One must suspect that when the dust has settled, there will be less countries involved at the group stage.

The change of seeding means that the draw will be slewed further in favour of keeping the bigger names apart in the early rounds,

The new company will inevitably take over the running of the competition, but a full scale European League is not inevitable, at least not in the near future.

If we created a European League based on those 16 clubs from four countries, with say four others added in, we would get (at first), some big matches with Barcelona v Manchester United one week, Juventus v Bayern the next. At the moment, there are only a few matches of this calibre until the knock out rounds

This means that the major teams only get beaten once, during the knock out stages. If they were playing in a league, one would finish 12th, someone else would be 16th, even the bottom place would be a big name team.

Now, you can stay as a big team by running away with your domestic league, and losing in the knock out rounds in Europe - but can you do so if you finish in the bottom half of your league for several seasons in a row, (even if this was a European league).

The current system guarantees a better revenue stream for the bigger clubs than a European league could do, so the dual domestic/ European season will continue for a while



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Tykeoldboy
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UEFA have announced there will be changes from 2018-19
They have not filled in all the details yet, but we know that

Four countries will now have four teams apiece, all with direct entry to the group stage, (barring some major change, the four will be Spain, England, Germany and Italy).

The club coefficients will change - this basically effects seeding and will give historic winners a seeding boost.

The money distribution will change. UEFA are promising a bigger cake, and hence more money even to those knocked out in qualifying, but one can bet that the bigger clubs are getting an even bigger slice

Meanwhile, to quote from UEFA, "A subsidiary company will be created that will play a strategic role in determining the future and the management of club competitions: UEFA Club Competitions SA, where half of the managing directors will be appointed by UEFA and the other half by the ECA".

Reading between the lines,
16 of the direct qualified teams to the Champions League will come from 4 Countries. Up to now, these countries have contributed 11 direct qualified teams, and a maximum of 15 teams. The 22 who directly qualify come from 12 countries at the moment, with a minimum of 17 (maximum of 20) countries represented at group stage. (It is 17 this season). One must suspect that when the dust has settled, there will be less countries involved at the group stage.

The change of seeding means that the draw will be slewed further in favour of keeping the bigger names apart in the early rounds,

The new company will inevitably take over the running of the competition, but a full scale European League is not inevitable, at least not in the near future.

If we created a European League based on those 16 clubs from four countries, with say four others added in, we would get (at first), some big matches with Barcelona v Manchester United one week, Juventus v Bayern the next. At the moment, there are only a few matches of this calibre until the knock out rounds

This means that the major teams only get beaten once, during the knock out stages. If they were playing in a league, one would finish 12th, someone else would be 16th, even the bottom place would be a big name team.

Now, you can stay as a big team by running away with your domestic league, and losing in the knock out rounds in Europe - but can you do so if you finish in the bottom half of your league for several seasons in a row, (even if this was a European league).

The current system guarantees a better revenue stream for the bigger clubs than a European league could do, so the dual domestic/ European season will continue for a while


Europa League winners will also qualify automatically for the CL group stage.


Mister TwoU
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Europa League winners will also qualify automatically for the CL group stage.


As will the reigning CL winners... meaning that either 17 or 18 of the 32 final competitors will be automatic entries. Presuming five places remain reserved for the 'diddy clubs' stream', then effectively all other 'normal stream' entrants can vie only for nine/ten places!

Personally, I cannot see this kind of arrangement retaining balance over the long term. I think the writing's on the wall for the eventual creation of this godforsaken European Superleague, probably within a decade. It'll happen the moment broadcasting rights for such a competition seesaw away from the EPL, mark my words!



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Mister TwoU
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I'm also getting suspicious of the qualifying process being 'diddled' to favour clubs with their newly revised club coefficients. The way it has guardedly been described so far makes me believe that it's actually going to begin impinging upon exactly which set of clubs a country gets to send into Euro. Competitions.
Seems to me to be favouring 'Euro. Pedigree' over League position in the qualifying season and even 'Recent League Form' over and above the latter, too. The kind of gerrymandering that might say, exclude Leicester City and replace with Manchester United, for instance!
Don't think achievement of a top-4 PL finish will necessarily remain sufficient to reach the Champions' League any more, certainly not if high-pedigree clubs finish 5th. or 6th.



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Tykeoldboy
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Aug 27, 2016, 6:16 PM

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I had a bit of a think about this after reading of UEFA's plans. Why don't UEFA create a new competition for the lowest ranked teams, they very rarely, if ever, qualify for the CL group stages, and the winner of this new competition given either a CL group spot or a play-off spot. This would give the lower ranked teams/country's a chance for more European football with a big prize for the winners, while streamlining the CL. This new competition could be filled with teams from the bottom 20 nations from the UEFA national coefficient rankings. The teams involved in such a competition usually play against each other in the Champions League or Europa League qualifyers already.


knmeynell
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Why don't they just cut to the chase and set-up a European League with x number of teams (most probably divided into groups) who play in that league in parallel with their own national leagues? They stay in that European League every year unless relegated out of it - maybe 4 teams dropping out at the end of each season.

Then use the Europa League/UEFA Cup as a qualification competition, so that teams outside of the European League can get a shot at joining it if they finish high enough in their domestic leagues. Let's say four teams replace those dropping out of the European League each season, or alternatively play-off with them.

At least then the top-flight competition would remain reasonably merit based and would give teams outside of the 'big four' a reasonable opportunity to qualify.

Obviously teams dropping out of the European League would not be relegated in the traditional sense, as they'd still be playing in their domestic leagues and would have a chance to re-qualify for the promotion competition.


(This post was edited by knmeynell on Aug 29, 2016, 7:26 PM)

 
 


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