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CND67
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Is this new? Does anyone really care?
Championship football club Milton Keynes Dons has launched an investigation after one of its players was pictured appearing to urinate into a glass at the Cheltenham Festival.
Midfielder Samir Carruthers is said to have been caught by a photographer as he relieved himself on a balcony.



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Cheltenham Racecourse appear to. They've cancelled all bookings made by football teams.


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why was he not arrested for being drunk in public ?



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Is this new? Does anyone really care?
Championship football club Milton Keynes Dons has launched an investigation after one of its players was pictured appearing to urinate into a glass at the Cheltenham Festival.
Midfielder Samir Carruthers is said to have been caught by a photographer as he relieved himself on a balcony.


Also involves James Collins of Northampton Town, Luke Ayling of Bristol City and George Baldock of MK Dons.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/...-it-off-balcony.html

No doubt with all their teams involved in promotion/relegation battles their managers will be suitably impressed by their antics.


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why was he not arrested for being drunk in public ?

They may still have him under the public order act if a complaint is made.


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I never understand the involvement of football clubs in cases like this. If If I had gone to Cheltenham on my day off and committed the alleged act I would expect all sorts of trouble to befall me. I wouldn't expect my employer to be getting involved unless I was subsequently unable to perform my duties as a result of a criminal conviction.


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I never understand the involvement of football clubs in cases like this. If If I had gone to Cheltenham on my day off and committed the alleged act I would expect all sorts of trouble to befall me. I wouldn't expect my employer to be getting involved unless I was subsequently unable to perform my duties as a result of a criminal conviction.


You're obviously not a police officer then.

In most ordinary jobs it wouldn't but there is such a thing as bringing the company/club into disrepute and footballers should know their responsibility's, adds more weight to the old adage about footballers being thick!

The fact it's the plastic MKD is irrelevant and they would be well within their rights to terminate his contract.

On a similar theme I know of a bus driver who was seen in uniform after he had finished work by one of his bosses f'ing and blinding at somebody in a shopping centre, he was sacked for bringing the company into disrepute.


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I appreciate all of that and had he committed the alleged act whilst wearing an MKD tracksuit I could understand them getting involved. However on a general point I just don't understand why football clubs get involved. I suppose it's all to do with this role model nonsense that the media spout all the time making the clubs feel like they need to act like spiritual leaders or get hammered in the press.


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Cheltenham Racecourse appear to. They've cancelled all bookings made by football teams.


No they haven't. They've cancelled one booking made by the same company that arranged the visit of the group under investigation.


Isaac
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I appreciate all of that and had he committed the alleged act whilst wearing an MKD tracksuit I could understand them getting involved. However on a general point I just don't understand why football clubs get involved. I suppose it's all to do with this role model nonsense that the media spout all the time making the clubs feel like they need to act like spiritual leaders or get hammered in the press.


It's not nonsense players are role models whether they like it or not, of course if they don't like it they can always go and get a more mundane job like the rest of us.

Stan Collymore made the point on Talksport that nearly everybody has got a camera phone nowadays and if footballers do something inappropriate the chances are their club is going to find out.

I mean if he had just been caught short and nipped behind a bush to relieve himself he could have been forgiven but there clearly is no excuse for such reprehensible behaviour and he'll now have to face the consequences.


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I suspect a decent lawyer would win a breach of contract case if someone was sacked for committing a public order offence. I imagine the PFA would provide the lawyer, but wouldn't help a bus driver.


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Sorry but this role model thing is nonsense and constantly used to justify excessive media publicity. If Joe Smith Plumber dos this would it be news and would all plumbers be banned from attending as a result?

has anyone ever said so and so is my role model and he did something wrong so I assumed it was OK to do the same? I've never heard them if they have and if they did they should be told to accept responsibility for your own actions and stop talking nonsense.



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I suspect a decent lawyer would win a breach of contract case if someone was sacked for committing a public order offence. I imagine the PFA would provide the lawyer, but wouldn't help a bus driver.


Depends what the contract says. I'd be most surprised if these eventualities weren't covered fully in any professional footballer's contract. There's too much at stake, and the risks too real, for clubs to leave these things to fate.

I understand image rights is a typical contractual clause these days. Anyone who earns off the back of their image is, almost by definition, a role model.


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This is disgusting. The fact that a Northampton player would socialise with an MKD player I mean.Smile



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Sorry but this role model thing is nonsense and constantly used to justify excessive media publicity. If Joe Smith Plumber dos this would it be news and would all plumbers be banned from attending as a result?

has anyone ever said so and so is my role model and he did something wrong so I assumed it was OK to do the same? I've never heard them if they have and if they did they should be told to accept responsibility for your own actions and stop talking nonsense.


Ask anybody involved in kids football whether they mimick what they see on TV.

Like I said if any footballer doesn't want to be a role model then go and train to be a plumber or whatever.


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I suspect a decent lawyer would win a breach of contract case if someone was sacked for committing a public order offence. I imagine the PFA would provide the lawyer, but wouldn't help a bus driver.


I doubt it quite honestly and I'm sure MKD can afford a decent lawyer of their own.

I see the player is now offering humble apologies on social media, he's probably just sorry that he's been caught.


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Well, this role model stuff, I'm sure the kids try to ape Rooney/Messi/Ronaldo/Vardy etc - but Billy Nobody from Nowhereseville United? No-one tries to mimic him even in his own house.

It's clearly horrible behaviour, and it seems obvious that this is a clear case of none-too-bright lads with too much cash, too much spare time and not enough social etiquette. Rather like what goes on in most town centres late on of a weekend night.

Without wishing to sound too much like a tedious old buffer, lads like this need some proper manners.

But tabloid shouty headlines about a couple of footballing nobodies corrupting the youth of the UK? 'avin a larf missus, aint'cha ?


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Well, this role model stuff, I'm sure the kids try to ape Rooney/Messi/Ronaldo/Vardy etc - but Billy Nobody from Nowhereseville United? No-one tries to mimic him even in his own house.

It's clearly horrible behaviour, and it seems obvious that this is a clear case of none-too-bright lads with too much cash, too much spare time and not enough social etiquette. Rather like what goes on in most town centres late on of a weekend night.

Without wishing to sound too much like a tedious old buffer, lads like this need some proper manners.

But tabloid shouty headlines about a couple of footballing nobodies corrupting the youth of the UK? 'avin a larf missus, aint'cha ?


Err, not really. I mean they're hardly setting a great example to the youth of the UK are they?


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...which was sort of my point.

In as much as I see the goings on of today's 'youth' many of them probably get up to similar things around 1am on a Fri/Sat.

And in many ways, t'was ever thus. Have you not heard of the infamous 'warm pocket' when standing on Liverpool's Kop or walked with trepidation underneath the old main stand at Twickers at half time in an international?


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I thought professional footballers trained during the week. How come the club thought it would be a good idea to give them a day off to go on the piss and cause embarrassment. Everyone is an ambassador for their employer. If a van driver drives inconsiderately I consider that a reflection on the company who he drives for, regardless of whether it is during working hours or not. Some years ago when we operated courtesy cars for our customers we removed the lettering because people would ring us up to complain about the way they were driven as if we had some control over it.
Joe the plumber isn't known by most people, unless he's wearing his work wear or driving his works van. Professional footballers tend to be recognised wherever they go, (it's a peril of the "job"). As a result they have a duty to behave in a manner that does not reflect badly on their employer (Club). I manage at step 7. I remind players that when they are wearing the club badge they are ambassadors for the football club and also for the SCSL and as such I expect them to behave appropriately.
Regardless of which football club they play for, the unruly behaviour of those players at Cheltenham this week casts a poor light over ALL professional footballers. One or two posters on this thread have expressed their opinion that it doesn't matter how these players behave in their own time. Did they express the same opinions with regard to Adam Johnson or Luke McCormick, both of whom committed their offences in their own time?
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Carruthers has acknowledged himself that he is supposed to be a role model and how he has let his club and his profession down.

MKD have suspended him and fined him two weeks wages.


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But they're not going to sack him, are they? Because it's all about winning football matches and neither the club or the player give a toss about the role model stuff - they just have to control the PR side of things.


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This is disgusting. The fact that a Northampton player would socialise with an MKD player I mean.Smile

Take consolation that he is only an on loan playerSly


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But they're not going to sack him, are they? Because it's all about winning football matches and neither the club or the player give a toss about the role model stuff - they just have to control the PR side of things.


Surely being a role model and the PR side of things are one and the same thing?


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Not really. Most PR is spin. Players want to win games, clubs want to win games, to most people involved in football the role model stuff really isn't important.
If you want to teach your kid how to behave, use the players concerned as a great example how not to behave.
Of course, if the perpetrators were rugby players, it would all be jolly japes.

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