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Unicorn
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With all the different things happening in particular the recent circular sent out by the FALC i am still confused about relegation.
The KIL are supposed to relegate one club at this seasons end.
APM having seemingly not achieved grade G in their first year should go. But Eltham Palace may well finish bottom and are giving up their ground share because they can not afford it.
Does the final act of the KIL have to be relegate them both or choose the one who its most deserving of relegation.
If Eltham Palace go does that reprieve APM?


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I'm confused as well.

There are so many variables at the moment with Erith 147, GuruN(surely not?) & Snodland applying (Grading?), ElthamP with unknown home, ACLondon having drifted to Surrey and the other existing KIL members with grading issues on top of the merger which may throw some of the season start rules out of window.

To the point now where I can't get to any conclusions, and will just wait and see what happens.


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Exactly. It's still early March, lots of water to fall on the football grounds/go under the bridge before the end of the season when these decisions need to be made.

Clubs just need to focus on winning as may games as they can to finish as high as possible to give themselves the best possible position for the annual merry-go-round as possible.


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Do Erith 147 play at the STC ground.
Can you get grade H there. I doubt it.
Guru Nanak are a bit behind but again grade H?
Snodland seem to have been busy so i make them favourites.
But on top of that you usually get about 12 applying from outside the NLS. And of course 4 from outside the NLS got in last summer.
Confusing but it keeps the interest going.


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Snodland have started work but aren't that far advanced, but their overall plans might be best.
I hadn't realised Guru Nanak had moved, I think their 'Temple ground' might stand a chance with some work. Haven't been to Erith147 - perhaps next season.
I'm just wondering if 2016-7 could be anywhere as exciting as this season's start. 4 new entrants was beyond my wildest expectations.

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It was five actually.
APM, Phoenix reserves, Elmstead,Forest Hill and A.C.London.

Might need 5 again if all the rumours are true.


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I wasn't counting Reserves then. However, subsequently my position on reserve teams has relaxed so I will stand corrected.
Go on then you might as well make with the rumours...


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What i think will happen is that one team will be relegated as was agreed before the season started.
That will be Eltham Palace who don't seem bothered that much about staying in the league.
A.C.London will get shifted to the Combined Counties.
So with two teams going up to the SCE Premier that leaves the new division one two teams short.
I think that will be Snodland and a team from outside the NLS.
However a lot of people think that Eltham Palace, Orpington and Crockenhill will all go. According to the latest instruction from the FALC they do not have to go. Denise Richmond has always been very protective of her clubs so i do not see them being thrown out. Perhaps they have given up. I don't know.
I think there will be enough applicants to replace them.


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I wasn't counting Reserves then. However, subsequently my position on reserve teams has relaxed so I will stand corrected.
Go on then you might as well make with the rumours...


So you like reserve teams now?
You never know there might be some more applying.
They do not even need FA permission to let them in.
Cant think who though.


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I feel that you're trying to tell me something.

Yes I'm o.k. with Ressies now, having been impressed with Phoenix Res programme issue, I've seen them a couple of times, and also taken in Sheppey Res. It helped that I was running out of new teams to see.

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I feel that you're trying to tell me something.

Yes I'm o.k. with Ressies now, having been impressed with Phoenix Res programme issue, I've seen them a couple of times, and also taken in Sheppey Res. It helped that I was running out of new teams to see.

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No not trying to tell you anything i am afraid.
Everything in this area always has been secretive and i guess it will never change.
Ashfords 10 point deduction for example just adjusted on the League website with no explanation. So if you dont know why
they are not telling you.
APM with their name change and plans.Good luck to them but its not going to be done in the next two weeks is it so why are they not being relegated. Again nobody explains how this clear rule has been navigated around.
Then the strange story of Greenwich Borough reported in the NLP as planning to build a new ground in Avery Hill in direct contradiction to the story that they had signed a 30 ground share with Cray Valley.
I hope when the League is up and running in its new form next season that they introduce a monthly news report on the website. It would kill the rumours which would be a good thing and at least give the interested public a basic idea of what is going on.


(This post was edited by Unicorn on Mar 14, 2016, 8:23 AM)


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At the league end of season meeting, member clubs will vote if they want the clubs who do not meet the ground grading to remain or be removed.
So nothing will be clear until after that date.


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They will vote for them to stay.
The only ones ( probably just one) who want to go will go.
They have very little choice.


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At the league end of season meeting, member clubs will vote if they want the clubs who do not meet the ground grading to remain or be removed.
So nothing will be clear until after that date.


To expand on that a bit further.
This will be a block vote question. Do you want the 6 or maybe only 5 who have not achieved grade G by 31 March 2016 to be relegated.
The clubs are not going to vote yes and decimate the division effectively putting it back where it was 5 years ago.
Many of these clubs have people who are personal friends which would also be a factor.
But the overriding reason is that Denise Richmond will make it clear that she wants them to stay and the members will not vote against her.
I will be amazed if this is any more than just a minor formality.


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At the league end of season meeting, member clubs will vote if they want the clubs who do not meet the ground grading to remain or be removed.
So nothing will be clear until after that date.


To expand on that a bit further.
This will be a block vote question. Do you want the 6 or maybe only 5 who have not achieved grade G by 31 March 2016 to be relegated.
The clubs are not going to vote yes and decimate the division effectively putting it back where it was 5 years ago.
Many of these clubs have people who are personal friends which would also be a factor.
But the overriding reason is that Denise Richmond will make it clear that she wants them to stay and the members will not vote against her.
I will be amazed if this is any more than just a minor formality.


I think the same is true in the Combined Counties. Four Division One teams without the grading there. I can't see the other members voting to kick them out.


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Wait - so a team can not have the right ground grading in place but be fine because they've got friends?

How is that fair?

To think there were clubs in the Central Midlands League who were relegated from Step 7 for not having floodlights - yet there are teams at Step 6 who can get away with it?


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Wait - so a team can not have the right ground grading in place but be fine because they've got friends?

How is that fair?

To think there were clubs in the Central Midlands League who were relegated from Step 7 for not having floodlights - yet there are teams at Step 6 who can get away with it?


Things change and it's an FA rule. There are (I think) 50-60 teams without the grading at step 6. The FA were going to force the leagues to relegate them this season until they realised how many there are.
Teams without the grading are the first to be relegated no matter where they finish in their leagues but that relies on teams coming up from step 7.


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Wait - so a team can not have the right ground grading in place but be fine because they've got friends?

How is that fair?

To think there were clubs in the Central Midlands League who were relegated from Step 7 for not having floodlights - yet there are teams at Step 6 who can get away with it?


That was a few years ago when the CML were Empire building.


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Each club will be voted on separately. Each having to plead their case. The vote will then be taken with all member clubs of SCEFL Premier & Div 1 having a vote.

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Each club will be voted on separately. Each having to plead their case. The vote will then be taken with all member clubs of SCEFL Premier & Div 1 having a vote.

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Where on earth did you get that from.
Plead their case?? The league needs them a lot more than they need the league.
I just can't see that the FA document called for clubs to be voted on separately. It said pass a motion stating that it was ok for them all to continue.
What is your source for that post.

As it is the league are promoting two teams and will probably lose A.C.London to the Combined Counties and Eltham Palace to relegation. They can't risk losing any more unless forced to by the FALC and we already know that will not happen.


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Can't reveal my source or I would have to hunt you down and kill you!!!
Those are the facts and that is what will happen at the AGM.
Denise and the committee will obviously give their opinion before the vote takes place.


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Can't reveal my source or I would have to hunt you down and kill you!!!
Those are the facts and that is what will happen at the AGM.
Denise and the committee will obviously give their opinion before the vote takes place.


But its not what the FA have asked them to do.
They have called for one vote to pass a resolution.
Your source is obviously someone at Phoenix.
How can Crockenhill or Orpington for example plead their case.
They don't have one. Its been five years.


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Your source is obviously better than mine. I therefore bow to your superior knowledge.


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Your source is obviously better than mine. I therefore bow to your superior knowledge.


My source is only what the FA said.
The step 6 leagues have been handed a get out of jail free card.
Why would any league be daft enough to complicate matters and cause themselves problems.


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I am only stating fact.
The 2 divisions of SCEFL are hardly likely to relegate anybody for this season. But they will have the capacity to do so.

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