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oxpete
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It's all very close in League Two at the moment, at both top and bottom...

I saw Pompey put in a brilliant performance at Fratton Park on Saturday to beat Bristol Rovers 3-1, and rekindle everyone's hopes of promotion. And tomorrow night I'll be at third placed Oxford United v. top Northampton Town - probably the two most in-form sides in the division. I'm not going to attempt to pre-guess the scoreline for that one, but I do predict that Chris Wilder's Northampton Town will win the division this season, and that Plymouth (despite some stutters) will finish second.

Despite Oxford's present gap over fourth place, I reckon it'll go to the final game, and two huge matches on the last day of the season will be Oxford United v. Wycombe Wanderers and Portsmouth v. Northampton Town. I'm going to be unashamedly bias and predict that Wycombe win their match to win promotion, and that Pompey with get Oxford somewhere in the play-offs. I'll go for Bristol Rovers and Accrington Stanley for the other two places.

(Remembering I rightly predicted Hartlepool last year and Cobblers the year before saving themselves...) At the bottom, I think Dagenham & Redbridge will need some kind of miracle to make up for not winning a single home match so far this season. And I worry for Yeovil, too - things have improved slightly for them of late, but goals are still thin on the ground. I really hope Yeovil save themselves, so'll instead go for one of the other teams higher up to drop like a stone... someone like Morecambe who've taken just one point from their past possible eighteen (and that from their goalkeeper scoring in stoppage time v. Pompey).

Anyone think differently?


garethwrexy
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Feb 15, 2016, 5:56 PM

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Dagenham know the conference well myself would prefer Hartlepool united to come down



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oxpete
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Feb 15, 2016, 6:14 PM

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Just looked at Cobblers' record... they've won thirteen of their last fourteen league matches since the start of November, the only failure being their 1-3 defeat at home to Pompey.

Also, Oxford United (obviously realising that the fair-weather fans who came for the Swansea match ain't necessarily coming back every week) have just given Northampton another 600 extra tickets for tomorrow night. Cobblers will have over 2000 fans cheering them on! I remember an Oxford v. Northampton match at The Kassam in April 2006, when Cobblers filled the entire North Stand, winning 3-1 on their way to that season's league title and leaving Oxford needing to win on the last day v. Orient (...which they didn't!)


Tykeoldboy
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Feb 15, 2016, 7:38 PM

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I'll go for Daggers and York to go down and I can't see any change in the top three of Northampton, Plymouth and Oxford to go up. Wimbledon have games in hand and are on good form at the moment and sneak a play-off place.


garethwrexy
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Feb 15, 2016, 8:21 PM

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York is good day out



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Tykeoldboy
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Feb 15, 2016, 8:43 PM

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York is good day out


You'll enjoy the day out next season when York are relegated Smile


DonQuixote
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Feb 15, 2016, 9:05 PM

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If Oxford United meet Pompey at Wembley in the play-off final
then I think the record crowd of 61,000+ for said level could
be definitely under threat...



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stugg93
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Feb 16, 2016, 12:02 AM

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Definitely would agree with you on that. Bristol Rovers could bring a lot of fans if they were in the play-off final also. I think Northampton, Oxford & Plymouth will all go up and play-off will hopefully be won by Pompey (said as a Saints fan who wants them back up the top so we can have proper derbies again).

At the bottom I'd predict Hartlepool & York to go, although I think Yeovil and Dagenham could easily be relegated as well. The next 8 weeks are huge. I am happy Newport are seemingly pulling themselves away from the relegation scrap as well.


paulh66
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Feb 17, 2016, 1:39 PM

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Very tough to call who'll go down. By appointing John Still you'd fancy Dagenham have given themselves a decent chance of survival but the results haven't come yet. Conversely, you'd fear for Hartlepool, Stevenage and Notts County who've turned to rookies to lead them to safety. York have diced with the drop for a while but they seem to be finding form, and I sense Yeovil might just be able to find enough to escape. Morecambe and Newport were my pre-season tips for the drop so I suppose I should stick with them for now, though I admit it's unlikely that they'll both go.

Mind you, these are the ramblings of the bloke who, little more than a year ago, fancied Tranmere to launch a late surge for the League 2 playoffs... Frown


jon b
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Feb 17, 2016, 1:53 PM

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Notts County 15 points clear of the relegation spots and with a game in hand, and Stevenage 10 points clear (albeit having played two games more than both Yeovil and Dagenham) would have to really work at it to be drawn into the relegation battle.


Even so, they have taken a real risk.


MCMXC
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Feb 18, 2016, 2:51 AM

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Plus Stevenage's form has picked up since Teddy got the boot


derekn
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Feb 18, 2016, 9:23 AM

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I'd say Yeovil are odds-on to go down. It's unlikely that they'd manage to stay in either level of the Conference given the level of ambition at the club.


garethwrexy
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Feb 18, 2016, 9:25 AM

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been hell of past decade for Yeovil fans



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windydcfc
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Feb 18, 2016, 5:06 PM

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been hell of past decade for Yeovil fans

Yes, it's been a roller coaster journey for the club & fans! Burton Albion are on a similar journey. I'd imagine they'll also hit a high point & then start the slide back down, hopefully they won't fall as badly as Yeovil has!


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Tykeoldboy
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Feb 18, 2016, 5:18 PM

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Burton's rise from the Southern league (under Clough) was one of long term planning rather than the "want it now" plans of many clubs. I don't know if this is still the way Burton's management work and if it is, and again under Clough, I can't see why they can't establish themselves as a Championship club


windydcfc
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Burton's rise from the Southern league (under Clough) was one of long term planning rather than the "want it now" plans of many clubs. I don't know if this is still the way Burton's management work and if it is, and again under Clough, I can't see why they can't establish themselves as a Championship club

I hope they're able to establish themselves in the Championship! There was another thread that brought up the point, that historical data shows that newer clubs into the football league(post WWII)! Are more likely to be relegated out of the football league, than pre WWII teams! So history is in fact against them having a long & successful stay in the football league!


Mister TwoU
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Feb 19, 2016, 7:25 PM

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There was another thread that brought up the point, that historical data shows that newer clubs into the football league(post WWII)! Are more likely to be relegated out of the football league, than pre WWII teams! So history is in fact against them having a long & successful stay in the football league!


It's also a truism that clubs in Divisions 1 & 2 pre 3rd.-Division have tended to remain within the top two divisions, while the Divisions 3 newbies have tended to remain beneath the top two divisions.



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oxpete
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Feb 21, 2016, 5:06 PM

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I'd say Yeovil are odds-on to go down. It's unlikely that they'd manage to stay in either level of the Conference given the level of ambition at the club.


People I knew at yesterday's Yeovil 1 Portsmouth 1 match all tell me they thought Yeovil put in a very good display - plenty of graft and support for their team mates, and a team who are proving increasingly difficult to break down. Yeovil now haven't lost at home since 24th November (the Carlisle penalty shootout excepted), almost three months ago.

Pompey, however, were apparently awful - a world away from the performance put in last week v. Bristol Rovers. Despite Oxford United's recent collapse, Pompey have only clawed back one point on their gap on third place. The good news is Pompey still have a game in hand on the top three - the bad news is that match in hand is away at Accrington...

...who continued some brilliant recent form yesterday with Oxford United 1 Accrington Stanley 2, coming back from one-down despite being down to ten men. They're now just three points behind third place with two games in hand. Their next two matches are both at home and definitely winnable, against plodders Notts County and Barnet.

That defeat for Oxford means their record for their last six home matches since famously outplaying Swansea now reads W0 D1 L5. Even Accrington would acknowledge they're not the biggest pull in the division, but Oxford's gate of under 6,800 was distinctly average-looking, especially for a side recently boasting of the 22,000+ Wembley tickets they've sold for the paint pot final.


acmold
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As a footnote Oxford's win at Wimbledon yesterday equals their record for away wins in a season which is 11, they still have six to play. The away record for 2016 is played 6 won 6 for 17 against 6 if you include the cup game at Millwall. In those 6 games they have scored 4 three times.


oxpete
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Feb 28, 2016, 11:55 AM

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As a footnote Oxford's win at Wimbledon yesterday equals their record for away wins in a season which is 11, they still have six to play. The away record for 2016 is played 6 won 6 for 17 against 6 if you include the cup game at Millwall. In those 6 games they have scored 4 three times.


York at home on Tuesday may help Oxford rebalance their mediocre home record. Oxford's cause was also helped yesterday by Accrington throwing away a two-goal lead at home to Barnet, meaning Satnley now have to win both their matches in hand in order to overtake Oxford (with one of those matches being v. Pompey).

Its going to take an awful lot for Dagenham to claw things back following their defeat at home yesterday to Yeovil - they still have not won a single home match this season. Yeovil, meanwhile, are in near-promotion form with four wins and four draws in their last ten matches. Hartlepool should also be commended for bringing Cobblers' incredible run of wins to an end, with a 0-0.

If I were a Morecambe fan I would seriously worry about what's happening to their form at present. With just one point in their last eight matches, they are dropping like a stone.


broodleyhoo
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I really shouldn't wish ill on local teams, but for all that going to Bootham Crescent to see York play is a reasonable outing, McNamara's continued astounding team selection continues to appal

I think the club has had 46 different players in the 1st team squad so far this season, and even now JM doesn't know his best defence, re-loaning a 19 yr old from Huddersfield to have a back 4 containing 3 youth loanees on Saturday.

Up front he 'rested' a 19 year old (a 19 yr old needs a rest after playing 1 game a week!) to be replaced by a 30-something who hasn't played at this level for 4 years.. Unsurprisingly Riordan didn't score, but Fewster, suitably rested from 45 mins on the bench scored twice.


oxpete
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Mar 2, 2016, 7:30 AM

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I really shouldn't wish ill on local teams, but for all that going to Bootham Crescent to see York play is a reasonable outing, McNamara's continued astounding team selection continues to appal


They took a thumping at The Kassam last night, losing 0-4. Yeovil's continued top-end form of late, with a 1-0 win over Accrington, really leaves York in serious problems.

For Oxford, the handsome win was only half the good news - they were (along with Bristol Rovers) about the only top side to have a decent evening: Cobblers, Wombles, Pompey and Orient all drew (Pompey conceding in stoppage time again), while Plymouth, Accrington and Wycombe all lost. Oxford and Plymouth - now in joint-second - play eachother at Home Park on Saturday.

It was notable though, that the same pea-brains on Radio Monkey commentating on Oxford v. York who were so outraged at the supposedly poor refereeing in the Cobblers match a couple of weeks ago, were last night positively celebrating the ref's howler when he gave Oxford the corner they scored their second from, when it was an obvious goal kick to York (at a point when York were getting back into things).


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broodleyhoo
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It seems to be perm any 2 from 3 between D&R, York and the Pools.

John Still doesn't seem to have been able to work his old magic in East London, so it's down to who between York and Pool can manage to scrape a few more points somehow. Neither seem to be able to perform competently on the pitch just now.

Mc Namara continues to appal. That's 14 defeats in 20 games - a period where he has free reign to remove all the previous coaching staff and install his own, move on most of the senior pros, and indeed anyone who might disagree with him, loan innumerable youth-team players and make wholesale positional changes (7 changes for Saturday's loss to Luton, another 4 last night). His team selection shows he has no inkling as to who the key players are in the side, with no position predictable from one game to the next.

This season is pretty much a write-off, but having ripped the playing heart out of the club, next season seems a pretty gloomy one too : council-supported new stadium less likely with (a) council cutbacks (b) a team probably in the conference and (c) about 7 signed-on professionals of moderate(lets be kind) quality.


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2 of D&R next 3 games are against York & Hartlepool! If they win them both, they'll be dreaming of the great escape. But if they lose them both, then the end is nigh!


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After lasts nights game the top three cannot be relegated. I'm sure we never thought they would for a while now but both Oxford and the Northampton manager have 'form' of strange runs of losing streaks when it matters. Going one step further if you say 48 / 50 is safety the top 12 now have 50 while another five are in the 40's. Last season Oxford who until the last few weeks were near the bottom all season had 28 points when they beat Plymouth around the turn of the year, this season Hartlepool only have 28 as I write this. Clubs who go down this year look like going down with a low total.

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