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It seems FIFA will keep expanding it until they destroy it completely, it should go back to just 16 countries, quality not quantity!


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"An additional eight entrants would create an extra 32 matches, which could require the month-long tournament to be extended by a week"

Why not just play more than one group match at a time? That way there would be no need for an extension to the competition.





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If an additional eight entrants would require an extra 32 matches then we must be talking about eight groups of five in the first phase. Do we really want to go back to the time when all the teams in a group didn't play their final matches simultaneously.


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It seems FIFA will keep expanding it until they destroy it completely, it should go back to just 16 countries, quality not quantity!


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FIFA just want to please all the confederations by giving them more slots. Africa deserve more slots, the standard of football in Africa is high. South America have 4.5 slots which is a lot when you consider that there are only 10 nations. I think All of the Americas should be merged into one confederation and the number of slots could then be increased, Asia are still way behind in quality compared only ranking above Oceania which should be merged with Asia. The Oceania confederation is a joke with New Zealand being the only team able to reach a finals, and that doesn't happen often.

I don't agree with a 40 team World Cup, it's just too many teams and there can't be many nations that would be able to host such a large tournament. If it was to happen then maybe it should be organised on these lines.

10 Groups of 4 with the group winners progressing to the 2nd knockout stage.

10 Group runners up and 2 best 3rd placed teams progressing to the 1st knockout stage.

1st knockout stage 6 games (10 group runners up + 2 best 3rd place)..

2nd knockout stage 8 games (10 group winners + 6 winners from 1st knockout stage.

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I don't agree with a 40 team World Cup, it's just too many teams and there can't be many nations that would be able to host such a large tournament.


Being an old cynic, is that precisely why they're doing it?

They've seen how the outside world has reacted to the idea of World Cups in Russia and Qatar. Is someone at FIFA thinking "Actually, it mightn't be such a bad idea if we set things up so that only the USA and three or four countries in Western Europe would be capable of staging it"?

I can't altogether agree about Africa, though. No African team has ever reached the semi finals, and an Asian team has.


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Since New Zealand have been the top country in OFC (i.e Australia in Asia), they have reached 50% of available world cups, and then were unbeaten in the tournament. (Three drawn games). Australia represented OFC in 2006 and reached the knock out stage.

I tried out a ranking system to see how the numbers stack up.
Awarding two points for a win, one for a draw, one extra for a team progressing in the knock out rounds - a total of 143 points for a 32 match contest as I did not award the bonus in the 3/4 play off.

The average points per team overall is 4.47 - my theory is that an under represented continent would score consistently above this, and adding more teams from the continent would drag down their score.

For the last five tournaments (the 32 team ones), we get the following average scores -
CONMEBOL 6.46
UEFA 5.67
CONCACAF 2.97
Africa 2.3
Asia 1.95
Oceania 1.2



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Ooh, I used that fact in a quiz once! New Zealand were in fact the only unbeaten team at the 2010 World Cup, and it turned out that a not a lot of people know that.


leo's rating system seems reasonable, but doesn't it actually a highlight an argument against extending the number of teams in the World Cup? It would indicate that South American (CONMEBOL) "deserves" 12½ places in the World Cup, which it clearly can't have with only ten members. (There were some bizarre reports that New Zealand was to become the eleventh, but New Zealand Football denied all knowledge of any such plan.)

South America is to get 4½ of the 32 places in the 2018 World Cup, so it would certainly expect at least one of the eight extra spots. But once the number of World Cup places goes over half of the members of the confederation, does it make their 18 game qualifying league look a bit silly? Isn't there a risk that Argentina and Brazil wouldn't take it seriously, safe in the knowledge that there's very little danger of failing to qualify. (Would FIFA even let Brazil fail to qualify, or would there be a bizarre rule change at the last minute if it was looking likely?)

Then again, maybe this is the point. FIFA doesn't want to run the risk of Brazil, England, Germany, USA, and half a dozen others failing to qualify - and so it wants to make it harder for that to happen. In which case, it might as well allocate automatic places to the top twenty on the FIFA ranking, and excuse those countries from the qualifying process altogether.

But if that were to happen, it would surely strengthen UEFA's ambition to usurp FIFA. That was certainly M Platini's ambition, and even though he is now out of favour I don't suppose the idea itself is. If they didn't have any World Cup qualifiers to worry about, countries like Argentina and Brazil would probably be invited into the UEFA Nations League as special guests - and from there, it wouldn't be a huge leap for them to join UEFA properly. Why wouldn't they prefer the money to be made from playing Germany and Spain regularly to freezing rain at 12,000 feet in La Paz?


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My argument was not meant to increase the numbers from one confederation drastically. If we were to add one more South American to those they already had at the World Cup, and they equalled the performance of the worst of the South Americans then the continent's average for 2014 drops from 7.5 to 7.0 - and another continent must go up to compensate.

The table shows
1) that South America and Europe are under-represented
2) that the other continents are over-represented, with the possible exception of CONCACAF

Detailed examination of the tournament by tournament figures show that South America outperforms Europe in all tournaments held outside Europe (except USA), while UEFA always comes out ahead in Europe (since England). It also shows a narrowing of the gaps as the tournaments go by, although South America scored highly in the last two.



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I prefer to go by the World ELO rankings, which have just seven non-European or South American countries in the top 40 and only two of those in the top 20 -

1 Germany 2046
2 Brazil 2012
3 Argentina 2006
4 Spain 1982
5 Chile 1954
6 Colombia 1935
7 England 1934
8 France 1931
9 Uruguay 1928
10 Belgium 1904
11 Portugal 1896
12 Ecuador 1894
13 Mexico 1891
14 Netherlands 1876
15 Italy 1849
16 Ukraine 1792
17 Croatia 1791
18 Switzerland 1783
19 South Korea 1778
19 Turkey 1778
21 Austria 1776
22 Costa Rica 1775
23 Peru 1768
24 Poland 1750
24 Russia 1750
26 Ireland 1747
27 Sweden 1741
28 United States 1740
29 Czechia 1739
30 Japan 1737
31 Ivory Coast 1733
32 Romania 1732
33 Slovakia 1719
34 Iran 1713
35 Paraguay 1709
36 Denmark 1705
37 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1701
38 Serbia 1700
39 Australia 1691
40 Scotland 1674


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I prefer to go by the World ELO rankings, which have just seven non-European or South American countries in the top 40 and only two of those in the top 20 -

1 Germany 2046
2 Brazil 2012
3 Argentina 2006
4 Spain 1982
5 Chile 1954
6 Colombia 1935
7 England 1934
8 France 1931
9 Uruguay 1928
10 Belgium 1904
11 Portugal 1896
12 Ecuador 1894
13 Mexico 1891
14 Netherlands 1876
15 Italy 1849
16 Ukraine 1792
17 Croatia 1791
18 Switzerland 1783
19 South Korea 1778
19 Turkey 1778
21 Austria 1776
22 Costa Rica 1775
23 Peru 1768
24 Poland 1750
24 Russia 1750
26 Ireland 1747
27 Sweden 1741
28 United States 1740
29 Czechia 1739
30 Japan 1737
31 Ivory Coast 1733
32 Romania 1732
33 Slovakia 1719
34 Iran 1713
35 Paraguay 1709
36 Denmark 1705
37 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1701
38 Serbia 1700
39 Australia 1691
40 Scotland 1674

Where in the world is team ranked 29? I also want a recount for the team ranked 40, they are shi...Sly


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I prefer to go by the World ELO rankings, which have just seven non-European or South American countries in the top 40 and only two of those in the top 20 -

1 Germany 2046
2 Brazil 2012
3 Argentina 2006
4 Spain 1982
5 Chile 1954
6 Colombia 1935
7 England 1934
8 France 1931
9 Uruguay 1928
10 Belgium 1904
11 Portugal 1896
12 Ecuador 1894
13 Mexico 1891
14 Netherlands 1876
15 Italy 1849
16 Ukraine 1792
17 Croatia 1791
18 Switzerland 1783
19 South Korea 1778
19 Turkey 1778
21 Austria 1776
22 Costa Rica 1775
23 Peru 1768
24 Poland 1750
24 Russia 1750
26 Ireland 1747
27 Sweden 1741
28 United States 1740
29 Czechia 1739
30 Japan 1737
31 Ivory Coast 1733
32 Romania 1732
33 Slovakia 1719
34 Iran 1713
35 Paraguay 1709
36 Denmark 1705
37 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1701
38 Serbia 1700
39 Australia 1691
40 Scotland 1674


Why are Wales not in the top 40 when they have qualified fro Euro 2016? Scotland who have not are there.
And which Ireland are at no.26?
On the subject of African football anyone who has seen plenty of the last few Cup of Nations would not agree that the standard of football is high. The standard of cheating is excellent however.



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Sadly for Africa, the cheating seems to be falling apart at FIFA nowadays...


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I prefer to go by the World ELO rankings, which have just seven non-European or South American countries in the top 40 and only two of those in the top 20 -

1 Germany 2046
2 Brazil 2012
3 Argentina 2006
4 Spain 1982
5 Chile 1954
6 Colombia 1935
7 England 1934
8 France 1931
9 Uruguay 1928
10 Belgium 1904
11 Portugal 1896
12 Ecuador 1894
13 Mexico 1891
14 Netherlands 1876
15 Italy 1849
16 Ukraine 1792
17 Croatia 1791
18 Switzerland 1783
19 South Korea 1778
19 Turkey 1778
21 Austria 1776
22 Costa Rica 1775
23 Peru 1768
24 Poland 1750
24 Russia 1750
26 Ireland 1747
27 Sweden 1741
28 United States 1740
29 Czechia 1739
30 Japan 1737
31 Ivory Coast 1733
32 Romania 1732
33 Slovakia 1719
34 Iran 1713
35 Paraguay 1709
36 Denmark 1705
37 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1701
38 Serbia 1700
39 Australia 1691
40 Scotland 1674


Why are Wales not in the top 40 when they have qualified fro Euro 2016? Scotland who have not are there.
And which Ireland are at no.26?
On the subject of African football anyone who has seen plenty of the last few Cup of Nations would not agree that the standard of football is high. The standard of cheating is excellent however.


Hoorah! Does this mean that we qualify for the World Cup by rote? Wait till we get those pesky Iranians again.



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Turkey and South Korea are level really is dog eat dog stuff but not just for Christmas, I'd not vote for it.


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In all seriousness I'd love to see more countries involved but I just don't see that any more than 32 is practical. There comes a point when there are just too many matches for a single tournament and if you get to having fewer than 2 per group qualifying then there are a lot of dead rubbers. I found this in the rugby world cup. 5 team groups with 2 going through results in a lot of meaningless games and far less chance of underdogs progressing.


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I would have thought that the best way forward would to remain at 32 countries, but to run the qualification by having continental finals in one country a year beforehand, on the lines of the European Championship finals, leading to the top X countries in each of these continental finals going forward to the World Cup final tournament.

The number of countries from each continental final would be determined as at present.


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FIFA just want to please all the confederations by giving them more slots. Africa deserve more slots, the standard of football in Africa is high. South America have 4.5 slots which is a lot when you consider that there are only 10 nations. I think All of the Americas should be merged into one confederation and the number of slots could then be increased, Asia are still way behind in quality compared only ranking above Oceania which should be merged with Asia. The Oceania confederation is a joke with New Zealand being the only team able to reach a finals, and that doesn't happen often.

I don't agree with a 40 team World Cup, it's just too many teams and there can't be many nations that would be able to host such a large tournament. If it was to happen then maybe it should be organised on these lines.

10 Groups of 4 with the group winners progressing to the 2nd knockout stage.

10 Group runners up and 2 best 3rd placed teams progressing to the 1st knockout stage.

1st knockout stage 6 games (10 group runners up + 2 best 3rd place)..

2nd knockout stage 8 games (10 group winners + 6 winners from 1st knockout stage.

Quarter Finals, Semi Finals and Final.


Third place teams wouldn't have to go through with 10 groups of 4

How about:

First knockout round: 8 worst 2nd place teams

Second knockout round (last 16): 10 group winners, 2 best 2nd place teams, 4 winners of 1st knockout round



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FIFA just want to please all the confederations by giving them more slots. Africa deserve more slots, the standard of football in Africa is high. South America have 4.5 slots which is a lot when you consider that there are only 10 nations. I think All of the Americas should be merged into one confederation and the number of slots could then be increased, Asia are still way behind in quality compared only ranking above Oceania which should be merged with Asia. The Oceania confederation is a joke with New Zealand being the only team able to reach a finals, and that doesn't happen often.

I don't agree with a 40 team World Cup, it's just too many teams and there can't be many nations that would be able to host such a large tournament. If it was to happen then maybe it should be organised on these lines.

10 Groups of 4 with the group winners progressing to the 2nd knockout stage.

10 Group runners up and 2 best 3rd placed teams progressing to the 1st knockout stage.

1st knockout stage 6 games (10 group runners up + 2 best 3rd place)..

2nd knockout stage 8 games (10 group winners + 6 winners from 1st knockout stage.

Quarter Finals, Semi Finals and Final.


Third place teams wouldn't have to go through with 10 groups of 4

How about:

First knockout round: 8 worst 2nd place teams

Second knockout round (last 16): 10 group winners, 2 best 2nd place teams, 4 winners of 1st knockout round


That works as well.



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