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Ronsdog
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They offer no credible solution to stop the advance of the death cult that Daesh clearly is, and then hound those that disagree with their pacifistic stance. Apologists nothing more nor less........


Erm .... can you go over your credible solution again?


In the short term deplete their key assets. That is their source of income. A role that the RAF is well suited for.
In the short time that this tactic has been deployed it has yielded tangible results. Daesh are now resorting to extorting 'taxes' from the local population in the territory they control. This will only erode any support they may have from the populous. Meantime they continue to lose territory.
Medium term is beginning to happen....http://www.theguardian.com/...y-alliance-terrorism

And you carefully avoided my point about the hounding of those who advocated bombing..........


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And you carefully avoided my point about the hounding of those who advocated bombing..........


I didn't avoid your point. It struck me as being incredibly blinkered.

Like most of your posts.

Perhaps you haven't noticed the hounding of Corbyn over recent months.


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And you carefully avoided my point about the hounding of those who advocated bombing..........


I didn't avoid your point. It struck me as being incredibly blinkered.

Like most of your posts.

Perhaps you haven't noticed the hounding of Corbyn over recent months.


He ain't a leader that I and the majority of the population wish to follow. As for the entryism into the once great Labour Party I despair.

Threats, bullying and intimidation are the tactics of Momentum. I presume then that you subscribe to the 'cleansing' of the party as has been advocated by the more loony end.

As for my posts being blinkered, please enlighten.


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He ain't a leader that I and the majority of the population wish to follow.


No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election


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As for the entryism into the once great Labour Party I despair.

Threats, bullying and intimidation are the tactics of Momentum. I presume then that you subscribe to the 'cleansing' of the party as has been advocated by the more loony end.


A party should represent its membership. If it doesn't it is worthless. There are 40 or so Labour MPs who are at odds with their party. They have lost the debate. If they cannot to commit to supporting their party then they should be deselected. There are plenty of members who would take their places.


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As for my posts being blinkered, please enlighten.

Anyone who thinks that those who criticise Cameron's latest adventure are "apologists nothing more nor less" is hopelessy blinkered. You are unable to accept any view other than your own and ascribe malicious motives to those with different views.

"Blinkered" is actually a polite way of describing your posts.


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He ain't a leader that I and the majority of the population wish to follow.


No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election


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As for the entryism into the once great Labour Party I despair.

Threats, bullying and intimidation are the tactics of Momentum. I presume then that you subscribe to the 'cleansing' of the party as has been advocated by the more loony end.


A party should represent its membership. If it doesn't it is worthless. There are 40 or so Labour MPs who are at odds with their party. They have lost the debate. If they cannot to commit to supporting their party then they should be deselected. There are plenty of members who would take their places.


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As for my posts being blinkered, please enlighten.

Anyone who thinks that those who criticise Cameron's latest adventure are "apologists nothing more nor less" is hopelessy blinkered. You are unable to accept any view other than your own and ascribe malicious motives to those with different views.

"Blinkered" is actually a polite way of describing your posts.




I suggested that Hilary Benn was right in what he said. To show solidarity with our allies in what is essentially a world wide insurgency. I assert that the left is at best myopic on this subject and at worst appeasers.

It may be that the lurch to the left within the Party will rejuvenate it.
But I very much doubt it.

The next election will provide the definitive answer.


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No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election
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36.9%



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No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election
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36.9%

24.3%


Ronsdog
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No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election
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36.9%

24.3%


Of those that bothered to vote...
Tories 41%
Labour 31.6%
Turnout 65.9%
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...2015/results/england

The stats don't lie Wink


(This post was edited by Ronsdog on Dec 15, 2015, 7:45 PM)


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No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election
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36.9%

24.3%


Of those that bothered to vote...
Tories 41%
Labour 31.6
Turnout 65.9%
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...2015/results/england

The stats don't lie Wink

So quite a lot couldn't be arsed! At least they'll have clear water between the parties to choose from next time & quite possibly the 1st totally left wing PM. Did you know that the left wing(not centre left) has never ruled this country & the most successful left wing politician ever is Ken Livingstone!


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Winners %age of electorate in the last 50 years:
2005 - 21.6
2001 - 24.1
1997 - 30.8
1992 - 32.5
1987 - 31.9
1983 - 30.8
1979 - 33.3
1974 - 28.5 (October)
1970 - 33.4
1966 - 36.3
1964 - 34


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No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election
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36.9%


24.3% of the electorate.


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No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election
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36.9%


24.3% of the electorate.


You can twist your stats all you want, the Tories won. Of the electorate who didn't vote, 83% were Tory voters but didn't bother because they knew it was in the bag...........



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No different from Cameron who was supported by 25% of the electorate at the last General Election
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36.9%


24.3% of the electorate.


You can twist your stats all you want, the Tories won. Of the electorate who didn't vote, 83% were Tory voters but didn't bother because they knew it was in the bag...........


I'm twisting nothing.

I said Cameron was elected by 25% of the electorate. He was. Where's the twisting?


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I suggested that Hilary Benn was right in what he said. To show solidarity with our allies in what is essentially a world wide insurgency. I assert that the left is at best myopic on this subject and at worst appeasers.



3 months on, 2,100 combat missions have been carried out against ISIS and there have been 600 strikes.

We have killed 7 ISIS fighters.

So far, those much vaunted Brimstone missiles, which Cameron told us would "cut off the snake's head" have killed not a single ISIS fighter.

I wonder what the cost/dead ISIS fighter works out at.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-air-strikes-arent-pushing-isis-back-in-syria-ministers-admit-a6903536.html


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You're expecting evidence-based policy from this mob?

ISIS weren't the target in this operation at all.

The operation was highly successful in that, in the "accepted version of things" it's now unalterably the truth that

a) Anyone who opposed our bombing missions is clearly a lily-livered unpatriotic loser who doesn't know the words of the National Anthem
b) The leadership of the Labour Party is hugely out of touch with the population's views
c) Our boys are doing valuable service supporting our allies in Syria, and our super missiles are eliminating the bad people with no civilian casualties

I believe the view from No. 10 is that the monetary cost (remember, we're in austerity) is infinitesimal when compared to the political achievements as above.

This is, in best Winston Smith style, the accepted view of things. And don't forget that history is always written by the winners.


(In passing, I'm fully in favour of supporting "our boys" when they have a clearly defined and achievable mission. e.g. Sierra Leone, Ebola, Bosnia. When they are made to put their lives on the line for some politician's vanity, that's despicable (from the politician, not Tommy Atkins) )


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You're expecting evidence-based policy from this mob?

ISIS weren't the target in this operation at all.

The operation was highly successful in that, in the "accepted version of things" it's now unalterably the truth that

a) Anyone who opposed our bombing missions is clearly a lily-livered unpatriotic loser who doesn't know the words of the National Anthem
b) The leadership of the Labour Party is hugely out of touch with the population's views
c) Our boys are doing valuable service supporting our allies in Syria, and our super missiles are eliminating the bad people with no civilian casualties

I believe the view from No. 10 is that the monetary cost (remember, we're in austerity) is infinitesimal when compared to the political achievements as above.

This is, in best Winston Smith style, the accepted view of things. And don't forget that history is always written by the winners.


(In passing, I'm fully in favour of supporting "our boys" when they have a clearly defined and achievable mission. e.g. Sierra Leone, Ebola, Bosnia. When they are made to put their lives on the line for some politician's vanity, that's despicable (from the politician, not Tommy Atkins) )


......and in the meantime the assault toward Mosul continues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37450080


(This post was edited by Ronsdog on Sep 24, 2016, 1:43 AM)

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