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No.1 Southend are still the only club ever to have 2 players (Best & Moore) score hat-tricks in consecutive rounds of the F. A. Cup proper?
No.2 Billy Best's 5 goals were scored in the last 19 minutes. Is this still the quickest 5 goals in succession in the F. A. Cup proper?
No.3 Billy's last 3 goals were scored in just 3 minutes. They they still the fastest ever hat-trick in the F.A. Cup proper?
No.4 Billy Best scored 10 goals in the F.A.Cup in 1968-69 in 4 matches and Ted McDougall scored 10 in just 2 matches in 1971-72. Are these feats still the most goals scored by any player since the 1945 in the F. A. Cup proper? or even all-time?

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Could I add another one? The attendance for Peterborough (then non league) v Bedford in the 4th qualifying round in 1952/3 was 15,327. Is this a record for a FA Cup tie outside the competition proper?


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I don't know if it's a record but Peterborough got an even bigger gate in the 4th qualifying round in November 1954 against Boston United - 16,558.


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I'll tack it on here as a related question (FA Cup records) - does anyone know the record number of consecutive seasons a non-league club has made the 1st round proper? I'm guessing it will be Hereford or Yeovil from about 50 years ago...


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Wigan Athletic had a crowd of 27, 526 for a 2nd rnd FA Cup game against Hereford United in 1953 when both clubs were non-league. Wigan also won 6-0 away at Carlisle in the FA Cup and this was the biggest away win for a non-league club against a league team, not sure if it's been equaled since.

I would hazard a guess that Altrincham made the 1st rnd most times on the trot but need to check that out


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Altrincham made the 1st round proper (or later, much later at times) in 11 straight seasons from 1978-89 but it's slightly misleading as they were exempt to that stage in all but the last of those 11 seasons.


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I think the stronger clubs or those that had done well in recent years were exempt to Q4

It would be interesting to know if any fought their way through from the earliest round(s) in two or more consecutive seasons

allowing that some would have had a bye in the earliest round of all


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Not sure if anyone's done it in consecutive season, but Chasetown went all the way from the Preliminary Round to the First Round Proper twice in 3 seasons - 2005-06 and 2007-08. In the second of these they eventually went out in the Third Round. They played 10 FA Cup matches in each of these seasons, including replays.


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It would be interesting to know if any fought their way through from the earliest round(s) in two or more consecutive seasons


I'm working on some stats like that, probably something like most times qualified from 1st Round Qualifiying or earlier, working on post WW2 only, but I thought I'd give it a couple of weeks for this seasons qualifying competition to conclude first.


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Good point Richard re Altrincham


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Wigan's win at Carlisle was (a still very impressive) 6-1. In 1955 Boston United won by the same scoreline at Derby County.


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The Royal Engineers played in the first twelve competitions.
A quick look and the highest score in the Rounds proper were Preston 18 Reading nil.


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Hereford United played in the first round proper (as a non-league club) from 1956 to 1972 inclusive, a span of 18 seasons. They were never exempted, winning the 4QR tie each time. Their streak was ended by election to the Football League.


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Doh! Thanks Tawman Smile


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I believe that Hereford United share another record. Their FA Cup tie with Leyton was the first cup game to be televised by the BBC on 25 November 1952 from 2.10 till 15.55. It ended in a scoreless draw, even so I bet it was a better game than we will see tonight. Can anyone confirm this was the first live broadcast?


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I believe that Hereford United share another record. Their FA Cup tie with Leyton was the first cup game to be televised by the BBC on 25 November 1952 from 2.10 till 15.55. It ended in a scoreless draw, even so I bet it was a better game than we will see tonight. Can anyone confirm this was the first live broadcast?

The first FA Cup tie, other than the final, to be televised was Charlton v Blackburn on 8 Feb 1947

From 2:55 to 3:55 according to the Times



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I believe that Hereford United share another record. Their FA Cup tie with Leyton was the first cup game to be televised by the BBC on 25 November 1952 from 2.10 till 15.55. It ended in a scoreless draw, even so I bet it was a better game than we will see tonight. Can anyone confirm this was the first live broadcast?

The first FA Cup tie, other than the final, to be televised was Charlton v Blackburn on 8 Feb 1947

From 2:55 to 3:55 according to the Times


According to the Radio Times, on 8 Feb 1947 between 14:55 and 15:55 the BBC showed the first half of a Rugby Union game between the Royal Navy and RAF. Of course, even way back then, changes could have been made between the printing of the Radio Times and the actual event.



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The first FA Cup tie, other than the final, to be televised was Charlton v Blackburn on 8 Feb 1947

From 2:55 to 3:55 according to the Times


I was about to say no it doesn't, but I was looking at the Sunday programme. Yes it does.

All sorts of goodies later in the evening too

9.40 darts match: Screen v Footballers
10-10.10 News (sound only)

Then off to bed.


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Just done a bit of quick research and have come up with the following early live tv games:

13 Dec 1947 @ 14:10 Leytonstone v. Clapton first half only Isthmian League
10 Jan 1948 @ 14:05 Arsenal v Bradford PA FA Cup 3rd Round first half only
7 Feb 1948 @ 14;25 FA Cup 5th round no match stated
28 Feb 1948 @ 14:45 Fulham v Blackpool FA Cup 6th Round Full match
13 Mar 1948 @ 14:55 Barnet v Boldmere St. Michaels FA Amateur Cup SF full match

It looks like the first live tv FA Cup game other than the final was Arsenal v Bradford PA which Bradford won 1-0. The BBC also televised, either partial or full, several Oxford v Cambridge varsity football matches in the 1930's.

Since outside broadcasts were experimental back than and only involved events in London, I would assume that the 5th round game on 7 Feb 1948 was either:
Fulham v Everton
QPR v Luton
Tottenham v Leicester

The BBC have also televised a live Athenian League game and a FA Cup 4th Qual Round game both in 1949



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The 7 February 48 game was, according to evertonresults.com, our match at Fulham.


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I believe that Hereford United share another record. Their FA Cup tie with Leyton was the first cup game to be televised by the BBC on 25 November 1952 from 2.10 till 15.55. It ended in a scoreless draw, even so I bet it was a better game than we will see tonight. Can anyone confirm this was the first live broadcast?

The first FA Cup tie, other than the final, to be televised was Charlton v Blackburn on 8 Feb 1947

From 2:55 to 3:55 according to the Times

According to the Radio Times, on 8 Feb 1947 between 14:55 and 15:55 the BBC showed the first half of a Rugby Union game between the Royal Navy and RAF. Of course, even way back then, changes could have been made between the printing of the Radio Times and the actual event.

Times of Sat 8 Feb reports the rugby match was postponed which might explain something.

Charlton seem to think the match was televised. Not definitive I'll admit

http://www.cafc.co.uk/...-history-365017.aspx



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Is Westfields club from lowest level ever to reach FA Cup first round?
Westfields playing now in 9th level of english league pyramide.


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Is there any county in England who has never been represented in the FA Cup 1st round?



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Rutland?


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Is Westfields club from lowest level ever to reach FA Cup first round?
Westfields playing now in 9th level of english league pyramide.


I don't have the definitive answer but Chasetown were at the same level, in fact in the same league, when they reached the first round in 2005.

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