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garethwrexy
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simple in or out

im going vote for out we don't get a say in anything that do !



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Out.



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Out.


Matty
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Out and concrete in the Chunnel.


garethwrexy
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no votes for stay in yet !



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In.


Isaac
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And another one for out


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In


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and concrete in the Chunnel.


why?





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simple in or out

im going vote for out we don't get a say in anything that do !


In.

The latter claim is the kind of ill-informed stuff that will probably blight the campaign.

As EU members, we have a say in EU legislation; the issue is that we are often outvoted (sometimes 26-2!) because our (current) government often opposes attempts to regulate financial markets or relax environmental legislation. On the other hand, if we leave the EU, we will still have to sign up to the vast majority of the same rules in order to gain access to the single market, but will have no say at all on the legislation. It's also highly likely that we will have to continue with the freedom of movement rules, as do the EFTA countries.

Personally I believe organisations like the EU are incredibly important in an increasingly globalised work. Having harmonised laws on areas such as employment or the environment means that no country can get an advantage by exploiting either of them more than another country. Without harmonised rules, it's a race to the bottom, much like the internal tax competition between US states.


(This post was edited by Fanatic on Nov 5, 2015, 8:34 PM)


Matty
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Boost construction jobs?
It was a flippant comment but there is the feeling that once again the gain was more for London and Paris.
Now in this case London does make sense as a hub for the rail.
However all sorts of stuff was said how extended links to the Midlands and north would benefit these regions.

I'm open on to be converted either way on the vote and stand firmly undecided or sat on a fence.
The in preachers often seem to be Institute of Directors types who will benefit from cheap labour.
The out , perhaps resistant to change, in my case the pace of it with any say.

Two others things.
A criticism of out voters is a that it show a little Englander, island mentality, overtones of racism.
Yet look at the rugby world cup - they are all 'proud island nations'

Secondly
I don't think we need more and more people. The economy does n't need to keep growing. These are longer debates and I know, understand and partially agree with the counter arguments, but population growth, wealth and resource inequality I feel will cause widespread conflict if not addressed.


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windydcfc
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I don't believe politicians on this subject & want to listen to economists & other experts. I work for Siemens & our main UK boss told us that the parent company might pull parts of the company out of the UK, if we leave the EU. So I don't fancy being on the pancrack anytime soon, so I'm never ever going to vote out. I couldn't give a flying feck how many Eastern Europeans live in our country. They haven't taken my job, so they're fine living here for me.


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The in preachers often seem to be Institute of Directors types who will benefit from cheap labour.


I'm at completely the opposite end of the political spectrum to the IoD, but I'm firmly for in. As I alluded to above, I think leaving will be detrimental to workers' rights in the long-run.


Matty
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I don't believe politicians on this subject & want to listen to economists & other experts. I work for Siemens & our main UK boss told us that the parent company might pull parts of the company out of the UK, if we leave the EU. So I don't fancy being on the pancrack anytime soon, so I'm never ever going to vote out. I couldn't give a flying feck how many Eastern Europeans live in our country. They haven't taken my job, so they're fine living here for me.[/reply

If the EU worked then it would n't matter where your company worked in the EU zone or what nationality they were and moving out of the UK does n't mean to another EU country.
It's also an often used threat for lobbyists to get concessions.


Matty
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Nov 5, 2015, 9:10 PM

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The in preachers often seem to be Institute of Directors types who will benefit from cheap labour.


I'm at completely the opposite end of the political spectrum to the IoD, but I'm firmly for in. As I alluded to above, I think leaving will be detrimental to workers' rights in the long-run.[/reply

I agree in so much as it should promote a Europe wide solidarity against exploitation, but who really move and shakes in the EU, trade unions or big business? Enforcement in all areas of EU law is differential across nation states, oh I don't know - can't I vote
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I originally voted to join a common market not to be dictated to by unelected members and Germany, will definitely vote out next time and so will most people I have debated it with.


windydcfc
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Nov 5, 2015, 9:48 PM

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I originally voted to join a common market not to be dictated to by unelected members and Germany, will definitely vote out next time and so will most people I have debated it with.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. None of us on this forum, have any ideas what the outcome of leaving would be. I know this thread is going to be overtaken by UKIPites & they'll post there endless dogma. But I want to listen to experts & not politicians from either side of the debate, that have obvious agendas.


Matty
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I originally voted to join a common market not to be dictated to by unelected members and Germany, will definitely vote out next time and so will most people I have debated it with.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. None of us on this forum, have any ideas what the outcome of leaving would be. I know this thread is going to be overtaken by UKIPites & they'll post there endless dogma. But I want to listen to experts & not politicians from either side of the debate, that have obvious agendas.


I think even the experts don't know.


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I think even the experts don't know.


Very true - and in any event, I wouldn't believe anything they said anyway! Sly

Personally, I voted no in 1975 and nothing's changed my mind since ...


windydcfc
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Nov 6, 2015, 7:10 AM

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I think even the experts don't know.


Very true - and in any event, I wouldn't believe anything they said anyway! Sly

Personally, I voted no in 1975 and nothing's changed my mind since ...

The status quo isn't great, but the chance that the economy has a catastrophic melt down if we leave the EU, scares me to death. So why should we risk this outcome?


Matty
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Has n't it melted down?
I don't know much economics but many people arguing that recovery from the banking crisis was quicker in Iceland than say Ireland, because they were relatively more able to make independent fiscal policies.
Iceland also jailed some of there bankers.


windydcfc
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Has n't it melted down?
I don't know much economics but many people arguing that recovery from the banking crisis was quicker in Iceland than say Ireland, because they were relatively more able to make independent fiscal policies.
Iceland also jailed some of there bankers.

I laugh when Iceland, Norway & Switzerland get thrown into the EU debate. The Swiss have an independent banking system, which enables it to be self sufficient & also it's enshrined in there laws that they'll stay independent. The other two countries economies are tiny & are still under the EU sway. They both have to follow EU directives, but the don't have a say on it, as they're both outside the EU but are full members of the EEA (European Economic Area). The EEA directives come from the EU!


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The government position is neither in or out yet. They want to see how much they can shake it all about before making a decision. Cool


Isaac
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Looks like this is going to go the same way as the 'border out of control' threadCool


kirby knitters
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With the same people posting time and again having a pop at anyone who dares to disagree with them. Hopefully it will get locked if going in that direction.

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