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Mister TwoU
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As for this season only there's an 'amnesty' upon having to finish in the top-5 in one's step7 division - to be able to promote to step6 for 2016-17... is there going to be a concerted scramble to achieve this in the ±41 current applicable leagues?

I've several questions...

Between us, could we generate some lists, per division, of which teams will be interested parties? Divided also perhaps into: candidates whom are known to have applied; Previous seasons' applicants; Other clubs whom we know to have pass-gradings, otherwise; etc. - is how I'm thinking. Will Reserves/Development Teams be allowed in this uptake?

Setting up such a listing, evolving over the current season would make following the step7s so much more exciting imho.

Also, oppositely, are any present step6 clubs going to be in any imminent danger of demotion, if this scheme produces enough promotees? Reserves/Development Teams?

Might there be any step6 relegation reprieves this time, say allowing for some 'horizontal redistribution' of footprint-edging clubs from otherwise well-subscribed leagues, to less densely packed ones?

Maybe other pertinent questions will arise ~ may be good to have this information in one place, in a single organised and updated listing?



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NSL will have West Bridgford & should have Clifton AW as applicants.
Blyth Town & Carlisle City from the NA will apply.
Stockton Town & Whitehaven from the WL will apply.
Saffron Dynamo, Melton Mowbray, Friar Lane & Epworth & possibly Sileby Town will apply from the LSL.
Wisbech St Mary will apply from the CCL.
Netherton & Whittlesey Athletic will apply from the P&DL.
Swallownest MW will apply from the S&HCSL.
Hucknall Town, Eastwood Community, Sherwood Colliery & possibly Pinxton will apply from the CMLS.



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keneastlancs
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NSL will have West Bridgford & should have Clifton AW as applicants.
Blyth Town & Carlisle City from the NA will apply.
Stockton Town & Whitehaven from the WL will apply.
Saffron Dynamo, Melton Mowbray, Friar Lane & Epworth & possibly Sileby Town will apply from the LSL.
Wisbech St Mary will apply from the CCL.
Netherton & Whittlesey Athletic will apply from the P&DL.
Swallownest MW will apply from the S&HCSL.
Hucknall Town, Eastwood Community, Sherwood Colliery & possibly Pinxton will apply from the CMLS.

If Stockton Town and Whitehaven both apply and are suitable could for one season only there be 2 teams promoted as Whitehaven may go to NWCL and Stockton to Northern league - This may be necessary especially if no other team suitable from the NWCL feeders.


keneastlancs
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charnock Richard and longridge I Believe will apply from west lancs.

Prestwich heys will apply again from Manchester league


windydcfc
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NSL will have West Bridgford & should have Clifton AW as applicants.
Blyth Town & Carlisle City from the NA will apply.
Stockton Town & Whitehaven from the WL will apply.
Saffron Dynamo, Melton Mowbray, Friar Lane & Epworth & possibly Sileby Town will apply from the LSL.
Wisbech St Mary will apply from the CCL.
Netherton & Whittlesey Athletic will apply from the P&DL.
Swallownest MW will apply from the S&HCSL.
Hucknall Town, Eastwood Community, Sherwood Colliery & possibly Pinxton will apply from the CMLS.

If Stockton Town and Whitehaven both apply and are suitable could for one season only there be 2 teams promoted as Whitehaven may go to NWCL and Stockton to Northern league - This may be necessary especially if no other team suitable from the NWCL feeders.

I agree with your sentiment, but alas Mike Appleby & the FA do not. I e-mailed him a few months ago & asked this very question. He said that 'there will only be one team promoted per step 7 league'.
The same situation could've happened in the LSL, with an applicant heading to the UCL & another to the EMCL. I believe if they had opened it up for more than 1 team being promoted, then most(if not all) step 6 leagues would have at least 20 clubs.



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On the negative side its hard to see that any club can be promoted from the Kent County Premier. Or for that matter any of its six lower divisions.


Sarumio
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Down Wiltshire way, Malmesbury Victoria will almost certainly apply. Shrewton United might go for it as well. Trowbridge Town have got the team sorted now but their ground is still the stumbling block.

Struggle to see anyone from the Dorset Prem applying, and as for the Hampshire Prem as floodlights will be the issue for teams in both leagues.


Mister TwoU
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Also - Let's not forget non-NLS applicants & 'new clubs' like this proposed 'City of Liverpool FC'.



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Mister TwoU
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More?

Southern step7s perhaps?

Please



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It may be interesting to list the leagues that aren't likely to supple anyone. Think the Oxfordshire Senior could start that list.

Re the last post in the south and a few other areas now there are probably clubs that would like to go up but there is not point if their stay is going to be a short one as no matter who you allow up if eventually they are to be relegated on ground grading issues. If floodlights are going to part of the step 6 grading some clubs will not bother because they know they will never be granted permission for them, no matter how much money they throw at it.


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I've a vague recollection that Billingshurst are gearing themselves up to progress from step 7 sooner rather than later.


Mek
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Down Wiltshire way, Malmesbury Victoria will almost certainly apply. Shrewton United might go for it as well. Trowbridge Town have got the team sorted now but their ground is still the stumbling block.

Struggle to see anyone from the Dorset Prem applying, and as for the Hampshire Prem as floodlights will be the issue for teams in both leagues.

Wilts Prem - Agree - I think Malmesbury Vics will apply. Not sure about Shrewton - their seating area behind the goal has been covered over with a large area of decking when I went at the back end of last season.

Dorset Prem - Shaftesbury - I think will apply - I reckon they are ready to come back to the Wessex. Merley Cobham might apply again - however their ground will need upgrading (floodlights etc). Swanage - although the ground is fine for STEP 6, I think they are content to remain at STEP 7 for now.

Hants Prem - Baffins will apply (just need to sort their ground out, which is in progress). Hamble Club - no, don't think so (unless someone like Hants Londoner knows better). Stockbridge might put a cheeky application in case Baffins slip up on the grading. Liss (who have played at STEP 6) are also in the running (don't know whether they would apply)

Somerset County League - Bishops Lydeard & Fry Club applied last year - both would need the ground grading (no lights at present etc)



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Guesswork regarding the Surrey Elite.

Horsley are doing their ground up and should be in a position to apply for promotion this season. Balham are playing at Cobham FC so grading won't be an issue for them.
I have a feeling from tweets etc. that Godalming & Farncombe Athletic are interested in going up but will need a groundshare so I can't see that happening this season. There are a couple of others who would take promotion but have little chance of getting floodlights where they are eg. Virginia Water and Yateley United.

I know very little about the Middlesex League apart from Tooting & Mitcham Wanderers want to go up and their groundshare at Whyteleafe means they're eligible on that front.


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It may be interesting to list the leagues that aren't likely to supple anyone. Think the Oxfordshire Senior could start that list.

Re the last post in the south and a few other areas now there are probably clubs that would like to go up but there is not point if their stay is going to be a short one as no matter who you allow up if eventually they are to be relegated on ground grading issues. If floodlights are going to part of the step 6 grading some clubs will not bother because they know they will never be granted permission for them, no matter how much money they throw at it.


Ok leagues that aren't likely to supply anyone:

Oxfordshire Senior - No teams has lights and none would be interested in going up anyway.

Teesside - Can't see any of the current crop looking to move up at present

Liverpool Co Prem - unless South Sefton Borough apply?

West Riding/West Yorkshire - Huddersfield YMCA, Field?

York

Anglian Combination with its array of floodlit clubs that refuse to budge.

Essex Olympian

Humber Premier


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Looking at the Gloucestershire County only Southmead and Ellwood have anywhere near a ground that would make step 6 or if really pushing gradings Frampton and Gala Wilton. Sure Ellwood if they were going up would have done so in the last quarter of a century.

As an aside I see Cheltenham Civil Service are a complete Mr Blooby so far this season, average nearly 4 goals against each game. Their "team" from last season have a 100% record in the Hellenic though!.


HantsLondoner
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"Hants Prem - Baffins will apply (just need to sort their ground out, which is in progress). Hamble Club - no, don't think so (unless someone like Hants Londoner knows better). Stockbridge might put a cheeky application in case Baffins slip up on the grading. Liss (who have played at STEP 6) are also in the running (don't know whether they would apply)"


I would expect Hamble Club to apply as well as Baffins - they are doing lots of building at the Shell-Mex (which is why they're currently playing at the Police Training College next door). Last I heard was that they might be moving back to the Shell-Mex in Nov.

Of the rest, no, I can't see any of them applying - and even at this stage, I doubt whether Stockbridge will make the top 5.



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Ok leagues that aren't likely to supply anyone:

Oxfordshire Senior - No teams has lights and none would be interested in going up anyway.

Teesside - Can't see any of the current crop looking to move up at present

Liverpool Co Prem - unless South Sefton Borough apply?

West Riding/West Yorkshire - Huddersfield YMCA, Field?

York

Anglian Combination with its array of floodlit clubs that refuse to budge.

Essex Olympian

Humber Premier


I reckon you can add the West Cheshire to that list, unless Vauxhall fancy another crack at the Pyramid.


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Of the rest, no, I can't see any of them applying - and even at this stage, I doubt whether Stockbridge will make the top 5.



You are aware that a top-5 position won't be a requirement for just this season, aren't you?

This is why I've asked the question, 'coz presumably for the actual interested parties, it'll simply boil down to which can finish highest in each division, notwithstanding how high up the table the battle is.

Way I see it is that resources might be diverted from players to infrastructure, but not so much that it allows other interested parties to overtake! An extra fascination at that level.



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NSL will have West Bridgford & should have Clifton AW as applicants.
Blyth Town & Carlisle City from the NA will apply.
Stockton Town & Whitehaven from the WL will apply.
Saffron Dynamo, Melton Mowbray, Friar Lane & Epworth & possibly Sileby Town will apply from the LSL.
Wisbech St Mary will apply from the CCL.
Netherton & Whittlesey Athletic will apply from the P&DL.
Swallownest MW will apply from the S&HCSL.
Hucknall Town, Eastwood Community, Sherwood Colliery & possibly Pinxton will apply from the CMLS.

Appleby Frodingham are planning to apply in the CMLN



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Jim S
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Ken - Have Charnock Richard had a change of plan?

At the end of last season they told me they had had discussions and that the costs involved would be to great for them to go to the NWCFL. It would mean losing most of their players and then paying players without the prospect of the required increase in funds.


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Charnock Richard's Mossie Park, at present does not meet the required ground grading. An application to join the NWCL has been considered by the committee for the last three seasons and rejected. No doubt it will again be reviewed before December the end of which month applications need to be made. The committee are unlikely to agree to an application this time. The objective of the club for the immediate future is to get the ground up to the required standard and apply to play in the FA Vase. If the cash becomes available the work may be competed by 31st March in which case the club may be in the FA Vase draw next season.
Manager Andy Westwell has been in charge since 2001 and the club have enjoyed their most successful period since they were reformed in 1955 but work commitments would mean that he could not remain as manager if the club moved up to the NWCL. The club during Andy stewardship have managed to develop a new ground and enjoyed their success without paying any players, they have put all their spare cash into the ground development and their are plans to continue to develop the ground further once the ground grading is achieved.


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Just apply for the Vase, Coton Green don't have lights and they're in it....so you obviously don't need grade H to apply....



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Just apply for the Vase, Coton Green don't have lights and they're in it....so you obviously don't need grade H to apply....


Are you sure about this? Their website shows their U18s played in the FA Youth Cup for the first time this season and they play in the Midland Floodlit Youth League. They could be using another ground I suppose.


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Just apply for the Vase, Coton Green don't have lights and they're in it....so you obviously don't need grade H to apply....


Are you sure about this? Their website shows their U18s played in the FA Youth Cup for the first time this season and they play in the Midland Floodlit Youth League. They could be using another ground I suppose.

Coton Green FC definitely not floodlit.


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Coggeshall Town ESBL are interested, they didn't finish high enough last season. Went down to the final game of the season. Floodlights and stand have always been in place, but turnstiles, pathways etc were completed in anticipation.
Holland FC ESBL are also interested but there is some debate about ground standard and they may request to ground share at FC Clacton if successful.



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