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Tykeoldboy
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The qualifying draw for FIFA 2018 is July 25. In Europe 52 nations will compete in the qualifying phase. Russia as hosts qualifying automatically of course. Gibraltar, the newest UEFA member are forbidden as they aren't FIFA members. This is a strange state of affairs. A UEFA member nation that isn't a FIFA member nation. I thought they went hand in hand.

England and Wales are in pot 1 so can't be drawn together but Italy and France are in pot 2. England will also go into a six team group for TV rights reasons, so obviously this will be a fair open draw upto the usual FIFA standards of fair play.



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Are matches played against Gibraltar regarded as full internationals and do they affect the rankings?



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Gibraltar are not listed in the FIFA rankings so I don't know how points are awarded for teams playing matches against Gibraltar. Since Gibraltar don't seem to earn FIFA ranking points then they will always be ranked last when the draws for the Euros is made. This seems to be an unfair anomaly that needs to be addressed.



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UEFA and FIFA use different ranking methods. Gibraltar are members of UEFA, but not of of FIFA. Hence their results add to Euro rankings, but not to the FIFA table.

Comparative rankings can be found on links from a recent blog at http://leohoenig.com/?p=1060
Current fifa ranks http://www.fifa.com/...table/men/index.html

The thread on here, http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/...orum.cgi?post=639329 shows how 25 teams have been knocked out of the competition even before the draw, (23 in match play, Indonesia and Zimbabwe due to suspension from FIFA).

The limitations of the draw have already been imposed by FIFA rules. Within those, the draw itself is fair. Too many people are involved for a conspiracy to be effective.

FIFA would in fact prefer all six of the nations regarded by UEFA to be the big TV audiences to qualify. (England, Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany and Spain), but they are hampered by their own rankings and cannot prevent France and Italy being in the same group as others from the sextet. UEFA, who control the TV rights for qualification may prefer it if two of these six met in qualifying.

Asia Six countries were knocked out in an initial knock out round. With the exception of Indonesia (disqualified), the remaining 40 teams are in eight groups of four or five. The eight group winners and four best runners up play in two groups of six and also qualify automatically for the next Asian Cup. The top two from each group make it to the finals, and will have played 18 games in most cases.

As the third placed team in each group plays off (two legs), for a place in a two legged inter-continental play off, and taking the first knock out into account, it is possible that a team plays 24 matches in qualifying.

The second round in Asia has started, so they are not directly involved in the draw

Africa 54 countries, but Zimbabwe disqualified. Two knock out rounds will reduce numbers to 20, followed by five groups of four, with the group winners qualifying. That means only 8 or 10 matches required

CONCACAF 35 countries. Two knock out rounds have knocked out 17 teams already. 12 teams will be involved in a third knock out round, with only 12 reaching group stages, and six of these have played no knock out games. The six are Costa Rica, Mexico, USA, Honduras, Panama and Trinidad & Tobago.

The fourth round is three groups of four. The fifth and final round is one group of six. Hence a minimum of 16 games for teams to qualify. Fourth place in the final group goes into the intercontinental stage, which in theory means a maximum of 24 games.

CONMEBOL 10 countries in a straight league table. 18 games, with an extra two in intercontinental games for the country finishing 5th. The draw decides the match order.

Oceania 11 countries. Four will play in a single venue event - this should be on Tonga starting 31 August. The other three countries will be American Samoa, Samoa and the Cook Islands.

The winners join the other seven nations in the OFC Nations cup 2016, again in a single country (but as yet unnamed). This starts with two groups of four, and is scheduled to start on 28 May 2016.

All but the group losers from the 2016 tourney then play in two home and away groups, with the two group winners meeting, and the winner of this goes into the intercontinental play-offs.

That means the team playing the final matches will probably play 11 games, but could conceivably play 14. The knock out matches of the OFC Nations cup do not double up as World Cup games, even though the group games do.

UEFA 53 countries, of which Russia qualify automatically as hosts. A group winner from a group of five gets to the finals after eight games. Playing in a group of six, and then the play off brings a team's match total to 12.



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England and Wales are in pot 1 so can't be drawn together but Italy and France are in pot 2. England will also go into a six team group for TV rights reasons, so obviously this will be a fair open draw upto the usual FIFA standards of fair play.

Each Confederation "recommends" their preferred qualification system. For the reason you have stated UEFA requested that England, Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain, and Germany were placed in six team groups. As a result of that our chances of drawing France or Italy are increased to 28.6% (14.3% each) while in comparison our chance of being paired with one of the other pot 2 teams is 71.4% (10.2% each). I don't like that either, but what do you think FIFA should have done?


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Group A

Netherlands, France, Sweden, Bulgaria, Belarus, Luxembourg

Group B

Portugal, Switzerland, Hungary, Faroe Islands, Latvia, Andorra

Group C

Germany, Czech Republic, Northern Ireland, Norway, Azerbaijan, San Marino

Group D

Wales , Austria, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Moldova, Georgia

Group E

Romania, Denmark, Poland, Montenegro, Armenia, Kazakhstan

Group F

England, Slovakia, Scotland, Slovenia, Lithuania, Malta

Group G

Spain, Italy, Albania, Israel, FYR Macedonia, Liechtenstein

Group H

Belgium, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Greece, Estonia, Cyprus

Group I

Croatia, Iceland, Ukraine, Turkey, Finland


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A UEFA member nation that isn't a FIFA member nation. I thought they went hand in hand.


There are a few territories that are members of their continental associations, but not FIFA. This is most common in CONCACAF, who have Bonaire, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, St Martin and Sint Maarten as members. I think there are some in Oceania too.

In Africa, Zanzibar are members of the regional CECAFA federation.


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Zanzibar and Reunion are both affiliated to the CAF (but not FIFA). Oceania has three - Tuvalu, Kiribati and Niue, while the Northern Mariana Islands are members of the AFC



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Group F

England, Slovakia, Scotland, Slovenia, Lithuania, Malta


Hooray,look at all these diddy teams we've been drawn to play against. Being drawn in the same group in England has its advantages; they always get drawn with minnows.

Still won't watch it; overhyped bollocks.



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England and Scotland meet at Wembley on Remembrance Day 2016. Expect piles of sanctimony from the serious end of the media and wince-inducing puns from the other.


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AT the risk of being sanctioned by the moderator for disguising a shameless plug Tongue, I have added my take on the draws themselves as a blog at

http://leohoenig.com/?p=1062



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Nice article leohoeing. My personal opinion is that Oceania serves no real purpose. This confederation should be swallowed up by Asia. New Zealand are the strongest country in Oceania by far and I know that sometimes they get beat by other Oceania nations but not often. Most of the nations in Oceania are geographically nearer to Asia anyway. Nations in Oceania will only improve if they can play better against better teams and playing the early stages of qualifying tournaments would allow them to do this. New Zealand would be competing against the likes of Japan, South Korea, Australia and would have more chance of qualifying for the World Cup through normal the qualification process and not via an inter-continental play-off.



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Nice article leohoeing. My personal opinion is that Oceania serves no real purpose. This confederation should be swallowed up by Asia. New Zealand are the strongest country in Oceania by far and I know that sometimes they get beat by other Oceania nations but not often. Most of the nations in Oceania are geographically nearer to Asia anyway. Nations in Oceania will only improve if they can play better against better teams and playing the early stages of qualifying tournaments would allow them to do this. New Zealand would be competing against the likes of Japan, South Korea, Australia and would have more chance of qualifying for the World Cup through normal the qualification process and not via an inter-continental play-off.


In theory, I agree that AFC and OFC should be together, but could you imagine a group that contained Tahiti and Lebanon? That's some serious travel there! How many stops would you have to make? I'm sure there's no direct flight from Beirut to Papeete, and even if there were, it would be a loooooong one. By the same token, people on my side of the world have queried why CONCACAF and CONMEBOL don't get together to form one confederation. Again, distance is a key factor. The trip from Montreal to Buenos Aires would be brutal.


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I'm in favour of expanding Oceania's 'definition' to include the West Pacific East Asian countries & redefining Asia to just include West Asian countries.

I'd also like to see a 'Middle-East' new section, or possibly 'Middle-East & Arab Nations'.

Never going to happen, of course, but amusing to consider.



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AT the risk of being sanctioned by the moderator for disguising a shameless plug Tongue, I have added my take on the draws themselves as a blog at

http://leohoenig.com/?p=1062


The ELO ratings have Turkey ahead of Iceland, Ukraine ahead of Slovakia, and Serbia ahead of Wales. Given the current state of Euro 2016 qualifying that makes no sense. The last sentence of your article summed up the real problem. It may have been impractical to hold a qualifying draw in August 2016, but it would have been both practical and logical to hold the Europe zone qualification draw for World Cup 2018 in December 2015, after Euro 2016 qualifying had been completed.

 
 


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