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Uncle Ian
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................... was superb tonight on newsnight. This is the man we need to run this country not the other three idiots


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.....and have the country end up in the position that the Greeks now find themselves thanks to the markets crashing and Capital flight on a scale not seen since the 1970s? No thanks.

If the Labour Party wish to return to power then they must elect a leader with real radical ideas and not repackage the cliches of the 20th century. They, like Corbyns view of the world are redundant. The party needs real alternatives in this tech dominated, mobile world such as the replacement of income tax with a real levy on landholding and consumption.

Too radical I fear for the current leadership contenders; of which there is not a Prime Ministerial candidate amongst them.


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Well the only other alternative to Corbyn seems to be a return to Blairism, which wasn't the real Labour Party anyway, but was popular at the time under a charismatic leader and powerful entourage.

I'm not really sure what the best option is now - too far left and they'll be savaged by the Tory press and be unelectable and too far middle/right and they'll forever be compared (unfavourably) with the current party in residence by the Tory press. This is Blair's legacy.

It's a difficult (and depressing) situation because the country badly needs something other than the single-party state that we currently have. Not denigrating the SNP, but they won't gain votes in England Wales and NI, and Scotland may drop out of the UK in the future anyway.



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Well the only other alternative to Corbyn seems to be a return to Blairism, which wasn't the real Labour Party anyway, but was popular at the time under a charismatic leader and powerful entourage.

I'm not really sure what the best option is now - too far left and they'll be savaged by the Tory press and be unelectable and too far middle/right and they'll forever be compared (unfavourably) with the current party in residence by the Tory press. This is Blair's legacy.

Unfortunately political parties these days suffer from putting the cart before the horse. They ask 'What policies will get us elected?' instead of coming up with good policies and then selling them to the electorate. The Labour party suffers from being too conservative. It's only objective is to survive in its present form. In order to do so it constantly has to appease the various factions within it. To be genuinely radical it needs accept that these factions need to break away and gather support from other quarters, rather like UKIP has done at the other end of the spectrum.


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Having watched the Labour Leadership debate I concluded

Corbyn - socialist - no chance
Kendall - Tory - good chance
Burnham - nice but dim
Cooper - I've no idea what she stands for apart from wanting to be leader, but talks a good game. Excellent chance.

I think the only hope for progressives in England is for the SNP to stand furth of Scotland.


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Having watched the Labour Leadership debate I concluded

Corbyn - socialist - no chance
Kendall - Tory - good chance
Burnham - nice but dim
Cooper - I've no idea what she stands for apart from wanting to be leader, but talks a good game. Excellent chance.

I think the only hope for progressives in England is for the SNP to stand furth of Scotland.


I suspect Kendall winning could be the final death knell for Scottish Labour. I wonder whether it could also put Welsh Labour on the same path.

In agreement that Yvette Cooper doesn't really seem to have any political positions (all her answers last night seemed to be obfuscation), so it's quite hard to judge her. Sadly this seems to be typical of modern politicians, who, as Part-Timer said, seemed to care more about trying to please the masses/press rather than developing good policies.

For me, Corbyn is the only real hope for having a true Labour party, but if he wins he will be mercilessly character assassinated by the press (it's already started in the Mail) on a scale that makes the shitstorm aimed at Ed Milliband look mild. He probably has a large level of support amongst the grassroots (certainly I would have voted for him if I was still a member, and might consider paying the 3 to be a "supporter" and vote for him), so it will be interested to see whether this translates into votes.

Burnham is probably the more likely winner as a middle ground candidate, but it's hard to get over his massive hypocrisy on NHS privatisation (i.e. starting it and then criticising the Tories for continuing it).


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Having watched the Labour Leadership debate I concluded

Corbyn - socialist - no chance
Kendall - Tory - good chance
Burnham - nice but dim
Cooper - I've no idea what she stands for apart from wanting to be leader, but talks a good game. Excellent chance.

I think the only hope for progressives in England is for the SNP to stand furth of Scotland.


Interesting idea.

The SNP standing in England and Wales (or Greater Scotland as they might call it) might be another angle on future independence debates. Laugh



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Well as long as they don't trip over a step or eat a sandwich messily they'll be Ok. All that modern media appears interested in is some sort of image.

Boiled ham is in vogue at the moment.



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Modern media goes with image because the public gets what the public wants.

It all started with the Kennedy/Nixon debate - man did he sweat but only just lost.

Corbyn seems to have forgotten that the world has turned a few times on its axis
since he was Michael Foot's lapdog.

Burnham's just a knob and I've no idea re Kendall's history but as for Cooper, she's
just another one of Blair's Amazons who seems exceedingly good at reading from a script.

Boiled ham? That's war food - like powdered eggs, no?




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Somebody has started a Facebook group 'Tories for Corbyn'. Maybe they will pay their 3 to become Labour 'supporters' and vote for him too.



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This country needs people like Corbyn as a leader. Otherwise the poor will get poorer and hungrier while the rich capitalists grow fatter by the hour


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Don't ya just love those commies...people with fuck all who
want to share it with everybody else...

see, I nearly got sucked in there.. Smile




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Don't ya just love those commies...people with fuck all who
want to share it with everybody else...


Preferable to those with plenty who don't give a s**t about anyone else.




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Anybody for a "North of the Trent" National Party ??


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Anybody for a "North of the Trent" National Party ??

That would split Nottingham, Burton and Stoke into different 'nations'.




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...not forgetting D'arby too...




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Law no. 1 of the jungle...only the fittest survive.




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Don't ya just love those commies...people with fuck all who
want to share it with everybody else...


Preferable to those with plenty who don't give a s**t about anyone else.

And make no apologies for it.....TRUE BLUE AND PROUDWink


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Anybody for a "North of the Trent" National Party ??


North and West of London party would be more relevent it's not the north that hard done by Would love some of the road infrastructure of the north around here and some of the council leisure facilities In fact I would just like the grass outside my house cut and a proper refuse collection service


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Try again, some idiot doesn't like reference to the River Waldron.
I'm all for a north of the Waldron party ! 😒
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One takes it that the Waldron is a Crewe thing?




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Indeed Don it is the river Crewe stands upon. Its a vicious beast.





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Call that a river? Looks like you've been for a piss on the way home from the boozer.




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Having watched the Labour Leadership debate I concluded

Corbyn - socialist - no chance
Kendall - Tory - good chance
Burnham - nice but dim
Cooper - I've no idea what she stands for apart from wanting to be leader, but talks a good game. Excellent chance.

I think the only hope for progressives in England is for the SNP to stand furth of Scotland.


I suspect Kendall winning could be the final death knell for Scottish Labour. I wonder whether it could also put Welsh Labour on the same path.

In agreement that Yvette Cooper doesn't really seem to have any political positions (all her answers last night seemed to be obfuscation), so it's quite hard to judge her. Sadly this seems to be typical of modern politicians, who, as Part-Timer said, seemed to care more about trying to please the masses/press rather than developing good policies.

For me, Corbyn is the only real hope for having a true Labour party, but if he wins he will be mercilessly character assassinated by the press (it's already started in the Mail) on a scale that makes the shitstorm aimed at Ed Milliband look mild. He probably has a large level of support amongst the grassroots (certainly I would have voted for him if I was still a member, and might consider paying the 3 to be a "supporter" and vote for him), so it will be interested to see whether this translates into votes.

Burnham is probably the more likely winner as a middle ground candidate, but it's hard to get over his massive hypocrisy on NHS privatisation (i.e. starting it and then criticising the Tories for continuing it).



Can't argue with any of that. Will need the Tories to (continue to) mess things up for Labour to be seen as a viable alternative, though, especially Corbyn. And also for the likes of Murdoch/Dacre/Desmond to be locked up or pop their clogs over the next five years. A lot can change over the course of a Parliament. If Kendall gets elected leader though, the Labour Party really is finished.



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Is it a hopping trait to be a lily livered leftie?




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