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DonQuixote
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Does anyone above the Conference really give a toss about what was one of the world's most revered competitions any more?

Cardiff City attracted a mind numbingly low crowd of just 4,100 last night against Colchester.

Okay so there were extenuating circumstances - choice of day, opposition, weather, plus City fans continually at odds
with Tan re club colours etc but that turn out was seriously piss poor.

The BBC put out a documentary last week about the top 50 moments in the FA Cup. I only tuned in halfway
through but had to give up soon after as my cringeometer went into hyper drive.

Filled with 'talking heads' struggling to remember the script and who had no doubt been told to big it up and dress in
as many cliches as possible.

Then came Rio Ferdinand and some soppy tart whose accent almost made Cheryl Cole sound marketable - I've seen
more talent in a bowl of soup.

Ronnie Radford and Ricky George got their annual airing - I thought both were dead before they began talking, then
again, somebody could have been working them.

The fifteen minutes or so that I managed to suffer was one of the biggest piles of dull that I've had the misfortune to watch.
And I have seen some crap in my time.

There has been many a reason for the competiton's demise...

Penalty shoot-outs, ten days between replays from first round onwards, stupid ko times in the semis making it
almost impossible for fans of any club North of Birmingham to get a train home if the tie goes to extra-time.

Late kick-off to the final itself - just to appease the American sponsors.

My own personal beef is the extra million quid that went into the club's pot a few years back - where did the money go?

To clubs down the food chain who could do with a few quid? No, half went to the final LOSERS and the rest split between
the semi-final LOSERS.

Cue sardonic applause.

Finishing fourth is now the be all and end all - Lord Kinnaird et al would turn in their graves.




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...the BBC will show Sunday’s final match at 5.30pm, as Arsenal take on Hull City in a re-run of last season’s Cup Final, which the Gunners came from behind to win 3-2 after extra-time.

Don't forget to tune in and watch the Beeb's "inspired" Crazy choice of match from the 3rd Round on Sunday!!

It's a repeat of the final, don't cha know!!! Shocked

And nice of Auntie to give already loaded Premiershit clubs a whacking great TV fee... Pirate

Third Round Proper televised ties ~ The FA TV fee is £144,000 per club.



One moment's high and glory rolls on by


Isaac
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No I really don't think that they do, fans on social media this morning moaning about the lack of Prem action and see today as the same as an international break. All a far cry from when FA Cup third round day was one of the highlights of the football calendar.

In fairness the Warrington v Exeter City and Hartlepool v Blyth Spartans ties on the beeb have shown a bit of the old magic but most games today will be under strength teams playing in half empty stadiums


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windydcfc
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I was an old boy when the Rams last won something, so I would like to see them get close to winning something important. I think most Derby fans would enjoy a good cup run, although promotion would be a priority this season.



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DonQuixote
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I'm sure that after your last experience in 2008, you can't wait.




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I'm sure that after your last experience in 2008, you can't wait.

You had to ruin my lunch, didn't youMad All I can think of now, is f**king Billy Davies. I went to every away game that season and the football ruined a good day out. Fulham away pubs are top drawerCool




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DonQuixote
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And I bet you can remember all eight goals, although you did manage to
score twice at Newcastle, which must have had you in a state of enuresis... Unimpressed




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windydcfc
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And I bet you can remember all eight goals, although you did manage to
score twice at Newcastle, which must have had you in a state of enuresis... Unimpressed

I think that that might have been more to do with me getting the earliest train possible from Newark NG and then getting stuck into a Strongbow breakfastCrazy
To be honest I don't remember the goals we scored very much. It was the absolute canings that we received that have burnt into my consciousnessPirate




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stugg93
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Sold out at St. Mary's tomorrow for the game against Ipswich. Don't think the malaise is everywhere :)


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Isaac
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Sold out at St. Mary's tomorrow for the game against Ipswich. Don't think the malaise is everywhere :)




Yes and so is Arsenal v Hull City tomorrow, often the FA Cup is an opportunity to tick a Prem ground on the cheap.

Great performances today by both Blyth Spartans and Southport but not really too much else to get excited about


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The way managers treat the competition with contempt needs seriously looking at. Prem teams usually have 9 or 10 changes

Maybe it's time for the FA to state that only players who have taken part in the previous two league matches are eligible


HantsLondoner
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St.Mary's tomorrow is £10 a ticket. That'll be why it's a sellout. Hope Saints put out their strongest side. Unlike last season.



If you're going to/been to a Hampshire Premier League match, I'd really appreciate you filling in a questionnaire - available in the Groundhopping/General section, or just PM me for a copy. Thanks.

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pinewoodste
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People I work with (3 out of the 11 in our office have season tickets) hope ITFC play their 'reserve team' as they push for the Premier League. Apparently close on 5,000 are going from ITFC I believe.


Isaac
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St.Mary's tomorrow is £10 a ticket. That'll be why it's a sellout. Hope Saints put out their strongest side. Unlike last season.




I wish I'd tried to get a ticket, a cheap Prem tick and it looks an attractive game on paper, assuming both clubs are going to take it seriously.

A lot of irate Newcastle fans on the phone ins after their abject performance at Leicester in the only competition they had any chance of winning


HantsLondoner
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I would have gone too but for the fact that Eastleigh are at home at the same time, and I've got a season-ticket for there. I had hoped one of them would shift the kick-off time so we could see both games.



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Leicester fans were moved from seats that they have as season ticket holders because of the visiting fans numbers and yet Newcastle put an under strength out!!!


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Is there not a minimum ticket allocation for away sides in the FA Cup. I thought it was 25%. If I am correct, then that is why Leicester season ticket holders were moved. Poor things!


Isaac
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Leicester fans were moved from seats that they have as season ticket holders because of the visiting fans numbers and yet Newcastle put an under strength out!!!


I can understand their fans anger, they are highly unlikely to be involved in either a relegation battle or for a European spot so why not give the FA Cup a real go and try and win something?


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As a Blade, before last season I was full of apathy for the competition, then we had a run to the semis and it kicked start our season until we just missed out on promotion, which is what we'll probably do this season without the cup run, although I would imagine it will be QPR's reserves today, it costs too much money to get relegated to bother about the cup for them.



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The way managers treat the competition with contempt needs seriously looking at. Prem teams usually have 9 or 10 changes

Maybe it's time for the FA to state that only players who have taken part in the previous two league matches are eligible


As long as the Premier League keeps cramming in fixtures in December I have a lot of sympathy for the managers. Next season there will be a PL round on 26/27 Dec and very probably another round on 29/30 Dec, followed by the 3rd round of the Cup on Jan 2nd. It's madness. Why were there only nine rounds of PL games between August and October this season, but seven rounds between Dec 2 and Jan 1?


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Is there not a minimum ticket allocation for away sides in the FA Cup. I thought it was 25%. If I am correct, then that is why Leicester season ticket holders were moved. Poor things!

The visiting club can claim up to 15% of tickets issued, providing they are in a fully segregated area. Also the Professional Game Board has the right to vary the allocation of tickets to the visiting club or make the match all-ticket.


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As long as the Premier League keeps cramming in fixtures in December I have a lot of sympathy for the managers. Next season there will be a PL round on 26/27 Dec and very probably another round on 29/30 Dec, followed by the 3rd round of the Cup on Jan 2nd. It's madness. Why were there only nine rounds of PL games between August and October this season, but seven rounds between Dec 2 and Jan 1?


I agree with this, four games in eight days with the Cup being the final one really is just inviting the PL clubs to field under strength teams - especially only two days after the last league game. Note the FL clubs did not have a game on 1st, so have played one less in that 8 day period.

In the last couple of years most PL clubs (though not all) have fielded stronger line-ups in the Cup than previously so the scheduling this year is a backward step.


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As long as the Premier League keeps cramming in fixtures in December I have a lot of sympathy for the managers. Next season there will be a PL round on 26/27 Dec and very probably another round on 29/30 Dec, followed by the 3rd round of the Cup on Jan 2nd. It's madness. Why were there only nine rounds of PL games between August and October this season, but seven rounds between Dec 2 and Jan 1?


I agree with this, four games in eight days with the Cup being the final one really is just inviting the PL clubs to field under strength teams - especially only two days after the last league game. Note the FL clubs did not have a game on 1st, so have played one less in that 8 day period.

In the last couple of years most PL clubs (though not all) have fielded stronger line-ups in the Cup than previously so the scheduling this year is a backward step.

I think that the FA Cup is dead. But only to 3/4 of the PL teams. If one of these teams suddenly gets a run going in the Cup, then their mindset changes and this probably happens by the time they reach the quarter finals.




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The way managers treat the competition with contempt needs seriously looking at. Prem teams usually have 9 or 10 changes

Maybe it's time for the FA to state that only players who have taken part in the previous two league matches are eligible


As long as the Premier League keeps cramming in fixtures in December I have a lot of sympathy for the managers. Next season there will be a PL round on 26/27 Dec and very probably another round on 29/30 Dec, followed by the 3rd round of the Cup on Jan 2nd. It's madness. Why were there only nine rounds of PL games between August and October this season, but seven rounds between Dec 2 and Jan 1?


Has the third round date of 2nd January been confirmed. I do not think it is a commonly used date for the round, although it was used last time it was a Saturday. The football league have issued "key dates", showing January 2nd as "festive fixtures", (with matches also on Boxing Day and December 28th). One would think that the FA Cup third round may well be on January 9th?



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Has the third round date of 2nd January been confirmed. I do not think it is a commonly used date for the round, although it was used last time it was a Saturday. The football league have issued "key dates", showing January 2nd as "festive fixtures", (with matches also on Boxing Day and December 28th). One would think that the FA Cup third round may well be on January 9th?


2016 has 53 Saturdays, so having the 3rd round on the 9th of January will not push the end of the season back a week.

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