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Mr. T
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Feb 12, 2015, 12:53 PM

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...there is a solution out there...we get rid of this Conference North / South argument/imbalance by bringing in a third League at Step Two...


In other words, go back to 2004. 1-3-6-18 would work very nicely and be easy to implement.


windydcfc
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Feb 12, 2015, 1:54 PM

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Hi Fred
You've directed your post to me. I assume it's in regards to my post #95! Unfortunately this post is half mine and half KK's! Hod showed me how to put a line between posts as it was confusing (which this post is)! My point was that I'm not fussed either way! But if a play-off system was introduced. I would promote the top eligible team from each of the 14 step 5 leagues. Then the 2nd best eligible team from those 14 step 5 leagues would go into the play-offs. But I would also finish reprieving clubs at all levels! If they opened the play-offs for leagues to sort out themselves and their was 3 extra spots(as per this season)! How would they determine which leagues were eligible?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Feb 12, 2015, 2:33 PM)


E&E Fred
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Feb 12, 2015, 6:21 PM

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A good question!

I suppose the answer would be that if there was a reprieve there would either be one bye in the play off or more likely two teams going up without the need for a playoff final. What currently happens in current playoffs? My team have never been involved at that level so i'm not familiar with the procedure



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windydcfc
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Feb 12, 2015, 6:39 PM

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If the play-offs happened this season and my version was used. You would have 16 places (2 extra, for no reprieves). 13 places would be taken up by 1st eligible clubs. If their were 13 clubs that were the next group of eligible clubs for play-offs from each step 5 league. Then the FA would only have to make the lowest ppg team ineligible. They could then group the 12 teams into 3 groups of 4 and these groups would each have play-offs. With 1 winner from each group!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


E&E Fred
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Feb 12, 2015, 7:05 PM

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Personally i will stick with the suggestion in the triangle format i referred to earlier, but if there is a reprieve then that is not currently legislated for in our plan but i would go for one of the two formats i suggested earlier.



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windydcfc
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Feb 12, 2015, 7:21 PM

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Re: [E&E Fred] Changes to structure [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

I am one of the first people that would champion radical change of the pyramid! But my play-off idea, which is linked to Mike Amos's revelation. Would only be implemented within the present system! If their was ever going to be radical change, then it won't happen fast!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


ianh
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Feb 12, 2015, 7:23 PM

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Personally i will stick with the suggestion in the triangle format i referred to earlier, but if there is a reprieve then that is not currently legislated for in our plan but i would go for one of the two formats i suggested earlier.

Are you suggesting in your triangle format 6 down and 2 from each league or 9 down and 3 from each league?


E&E Fred
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Feb 12, 2015, 11:26 PM

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We are suggesting the possibility of two up from all divisions. However it is not guaranteed to be six down either. It is explained in much detail on the link i advised earlier.



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HarryC
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Jun 8, 2015, 3:52 PM

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Don't know how true this is but i've heard today from a source that for season 2016-2017 (season after next) the conference North and south divisions (step2) will be increased to 24 teams each. The FA and conference have requested this in order to start to redress the imbalance at this level and below of northern teams they have also been discussing again culling the number of leagues at step 5 and/0r 6. (my source was not sure how many leagues would go but suggested AT LEAST 1 league is expected to go this will include getting rid of reserve teams from these levels)

I have been thinking what exactly is meant by 'addressing the northern imbalance' and how they would redress this.

One solution I have come up with if this is the case is to promote 4 teams from the northern premier for 1 season only with only 1 promoted via each of the southern premier and Isthmian premier (total 6 clubs) relegating just 1 from both of the 2 step 2 leagues therefore they would HAVE to move the Lowerstoft's, Oxford's and Gloucester's of this world (if still in the league then) from North to south. with adjusted promotion/relegation between level 3 and 4 accordingly.

Below I think this would then help the Northern League to properly become part of the pyramid as I feel that to redress the imbalance and to cover the 4 extra teams needed in step 4 then they would promote a total of 5 clubs up on mass (4 extra) from the Northern League whilst only promoting the usual 1 from the other 13 step 5 clubs and transferring clubs North to south as necessary. If the Northern League do promote on mass (I'm thinking possibly Consett, Shildon, Dunston UTS, Durham and West Auckland for arguments sake) and join Spennymoor, Darlington, Scarborough (if these don't get promoted) and Bishop Auckland (Hopefully this year) plus Kendal not a million miles away, (Blyth, Whitby and Workington 1 level above) then the northern clubs would feel extremely happy to now be a part of the set up. thus dragging northern division 1 north truly north and sending the most southerly teams to 1 south and from 1 south to southern 1 central etc.

I know this then might impact on the northern league numbers for a couple of years but surely it would be for the better good.

Has anyone else heard of this rumour of increasing level 2?

Would it be fair to promote for one season only more from northern premier than the other step 3 leagues?

What do people think about my solution of fixing this imbalance if this is the case?

I haven't yet thought about the second part of what I was told. Which league if any will go? by getting rid of the reserves and promoting these extra 4 clubs would this free up enough room for the clubs in the league that's going to be accommodated elsewhere or would demotions to step 7 happen?





Did anything ever come of this rumour that step 2 leagues would go to 24 each in 2016-17 ?? or has it all gone away for now - as it would have knock on effect on how many teams may go up and down between steps 2/3/4 etc to keep other leagues numbers up, which should be sorted before start of 2015-16 season so we all know where our teams will stand.



Unicorn
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Jun 8, 2015, 4:08 PM

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 I think someone was getting carried away with what they would like to see.
I feel if it was agreed to increase step 2 to 24 we would know by now. In fact know well before the AGM.
The rest is pure fiction. Getting rid of reserve teams is not happening in fact the FALC is allowing it to increase.
And as for scrapping of step 5 leagues they just can't do it.


PaulC
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46 months later!

I thought I'd got away with it.

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