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What is regarded as the biggest shock in the FA Cup? Some might say non league Spurs winning in 1901 or some might say Sutton beating Coventry, or Wrexham who finished bottom of the league in the year Arsenal won it beating them 2-1.
There's also the relatively new concept of number of places between the teams.

On a similar scale, who are the smallest team to reach the 1st round proper of the FA Cup? I will throw Falmouth Town and Wellington (Somerset) into the mix.



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1933 Walsall d. Arsenal
1949 Yeovil d. Sunderland
1955 Boston d. Derby
1957 Bournemouth d. Wolves
1957 Bournemouth d. Tottenham
1971 Colchester d. Leeds
1972 Hereford d. Newcastle
1973 Sunderland d. Leeds
1975 Wimbledon d. Burnley
1984 Bournemouth d. Manchester U.


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Just looking at A's & B's -
Addlestone, Alfreton, Alton, Andover, Arnold, Ashton U., Aveley, Banbury, Barnstaple, Barton, Basingstoke, Beighton, Bexley, Bideford, Bilston,
Birmingham Trams, Blackhall, Blue Star, Boreham Wood, Brandon, Bridgwater, Brierley Hill, Brush, Buckingham, Burscough, Bury T., Buxton


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Smallest club is certainly one for debate, in recent times I would suggest Camberley Town who were in the 4th level of the Ryman league when they lost to Brentford in 1998-99 1st round.


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I've no idea what league they were in at the time, but the story of Linby Colliery in the 1950-51 FA Cup has always intrigued me. They started out at the Extra Preliminary Round, and ended up losing at home to Gillingham in the 1st Round Proper, having beaten Boston Utd, Spalding Utd and Nuneaton Borough on the way. How did they manage that??


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I've no idea what league they were in at the time, but the story of Linby Colliery in the 1950-51 FA Cup has always intrigued me. They started out at the Extra Preliminary Round, and ended up losing at home to Gillingham in the 1st Round Proper, having beaten Boston Utd, Spalding Utd and Nuneaton Borough on the way. How did they manage that??

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Berkhamsted Town 1 AFC Sudbury 9.
Berkhamsted were a step up the pyramid from Sudbury at the time.



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1955 Boston d. Derby

Derby County 1 Boston United 6

Still a record winning margin for a non-league team away at a League side?


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1933 Walsall d. Arsenal
1949 Yeovil d. Sunderland
1955 Boston d. Derby
1957 Bournemouth d. Wolves
1957 Bournemouth d. Tottenham
1971 Colchester d. Leeds
1972 Hereford d. Newcastle
1973 Sunderland d. Leeds
1975 Wimbledon d. Burnley
1984 Bournemouth d. Manchester U.


By my reckoning Derby were in the 2nd Div at the time, though 6-1 was still an incredible score line, whilst Hereford and Yoevil were both at home.

Leaving Wimbledon as the only non league side to win away at a Div 1 side?


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1955 Boston d. Derby

Derby County 1 Boston United 6

Still a record winning margin for a non-league team away at a League side?


Was the match not played at Boston following a 0-0 draw at Derby?


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No, there were two FA Cup meetings.

In 1955 it was as reported in this thread (Boston won 6-1 at Derby). Derby were in the 3rd Div North at the time.

They played each other again in 1974 - first game was Derby 0 Boston U 0 (in itself a pretty good result - Derby were Div 1 and were League Champions in 1973), replay was Boston U 1 Derby 6.




Tottenham's FA Cup winning run of 1901, as a Southern League club, is still for me the biggest shock (or set of shocks) ever - on the way they beat:

Preston (Div 1), Bury (Div 1 and Cup holders), West Brom (Div 1 - 4-0 in semi-final) and Sheffield United (Div 1 - 3-1 after replay)
http://www.mehstg.com/1901.htm



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1933 Walsall d. Arsenal
1949 Yeovil d. Sunderland
1955 Boston d. Derby
1957 Bournemouth d. Wolves
1957 Bournemouth d. Tottenham
1971 Colchester d. Leeds
1972 Hereford d. Newcastle
1973 Sunderland d. Leeds
1975 Wimbledon d. Burnley
1984 Bournemouth d. Manchester U.


By my reckoning Derby were in the 2nd Div at the time, though 6-1 was still an incredible score line, whilst Hereford and Yoevil were both at home.

Leaving Wimbledon as the only non league side to win away at a Div 1 side?





Matched a couple of seasons ago by Luton winning away at Norwich
Edit....Plus also Altrincham beating Birmingham a few more seasons further back


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And Birmingham 1-2 Altrincham in 1986.


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My thanks gentlemen. particularly HantsLondoner, for the clarification.

I wonder if anyone can confirm, or otherwise, a story told me by my Father many years ago. He said in the 20s or 30s my schoolboy team Crystal Palace had won 6-0 at Everton and a few years later they met again at Selhurst Park this time 6-0 to Everton.

The story goes the great Dixie Dean made a show of deliberately missing a late goal to ensure the score remained at exactly 6-0!


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Surprisingly, correct.


1930-31 Sat Jan 24 1931 FAC 4 A C Palace W 6 - 0 38,000 Dean W 4 Johnson T Wilde W (og)


1921-22 Sat Jan 7 1922 FAC 1 H C Palace L 0 - 6 41,000

from http://www.evertonresults.com/cpalace.htm

Clicking on the link in the result gives lineups etc

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1955 Boston d. Derby

Derby County 1 Boston United 6

Still a record winning margin for a non-league team away at a League side?


Was the match not played at Boston following a 0-0 draw at Derby?

No the game specified is this one - http://bufc.drfox.org.uk/C101255.html

What you're referring to is this game - http://bufc.drfox.org.uk/C050174.html - which resulted in this replay - http://bufc.drfox.org.uk/C090174.html


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Smallest club is certainly one for debate, in recent times I would suggest Camberley Town who were in the 4th level of the Ryman league when they lost to Brentford in 1998-99 1st round.


Ford United were in the same division at the time and also got to the first round where they lost to Preston North End. Although Ford finished higher in the league that season I'd suggest Camberley were the 'bigger' club at the time as Camberley had played in the Isthmian League for a while including a stint in Division One in the 1970s before the Isthmian League joined in with the pyramid properly.
Ford / Redbridge have visited those dizzy heights and beyond since 1998-99 of course but were just an up and coming team fresh from the county league at the time.


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I remember this match well (Johnny Haynes was in the crowd and signed my programme)
Saturday 13 September 2003 Berkhamsted Town 0-9 AFC Sudbury FAC1Q (att 376)
The home team had many loan players and the parent clubs would not allow them to be cup tied.
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Falmouth Town, although in the past a successful club entered the 1983/84 competition as a member of the Cornwall Combination League, the only club to do so. The league was one below the South Western which in turn was below the two Western League divisions and the Southern League.



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Falmouth Town, although in the past a successful club entered the 1983/84 competition as a member of the Cornwall Combination League, the only club to do so. The league was one below the South Western which in turn was below the two Western League divisions and the Southern League.


But they didn't win any FA Cup games as a Cornwall Comb side, so that isn't really relevant for the terms of this thread.


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Falmouth Town, although in the past a successful club entered the 1983/84 competition as a member of the Cornwall Combination League, the only club to do so. The league was one below the South Western which in turn was below the two Western League divisions and the Southern League.


But they didn't win any FA Cup games as a Cornwall Comb side, so that isn't really relevant for the terms of this thread.


True but in terms of lowest level of entry it could be?



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Falmouth Town, although in the past a successful club entered the 1983/84 competition as a member of the Cornwall Combination League, the only club to do so. The league was one below the South Western which in turn was below the two Western League divisions and the Southern League.


But they didn't win any FA Cup games as a Cornwall Comb side, so that isn't really relevant for the terms of this thread.


True but in terms of lowest level of entry it could be?


Are you now saying that Falmouth are the lowest ranked team to have entered the FA Cup?

I'm not sure that even merits a mention in a thread about FA Cup shocks, seeing as they apparently didn't win a game whilst competing at that level. One that should merit a mention when discussing FA Cup shocks is Parson Drove of the Peterborough League beating Felixstowe, Kings Lynn and Chelmsford in reaching the fourth qualifying round in 1979/80 before bowing out 1-0 against Burton Albion. One of my regrets is not going there for one of those ties.....Crazy


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Agree about Parson Drove being the lowest level club with their cup run from that season. Another worth mentioning might be Didcot Town who reached the FA Cup 2nd Q round in 76-77 season whist playing in the second level of The Hellenic League. They beat Isthmian League side Oxford City in the previous qualifying round.
Very few sides at the time from even the Hellenic premier League entered the FA cup and to the best of my knowledge only Witney Town in 70-71 season are the only Hellenic League club to reach The FA Cup 1st Round proper.


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Very few sides at the time from even the Hellenic premier League entered the FA cup and to the best of my knowledge only Witney Town in 70-71 season are the only Hellenic League club to reach The FA Cup 1st Round proper.


Correct, even appearances in the Fourth Round Qualifying are rare for Hellenic League Clubs

1960-61 Abingdon Town
1993-94 Moreton Town
2005-06 Bishop's Cleeve
2006-07 Hungerford Town


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I remember Yeading as a Spartan League club getting all the way to the 4Q round in 1986-7, beating Sutton United (4-1) and Uxbridge along the way before losing to Aylesbury United.

I saw the Uxbridge game, they were Isthmian Div 1 (2 leagues above) and the Ding deserved to win a close game.

Yeading won the league that year undefeated and went on to greater things but Sutton were doing well in the Conference at the time (4 leagues above) so this made a bit of news in my neck of the woods. Sutton reached the third round the following season and lost in a replay to Middlesborough. The year after that, as was mentioned, they beat the Cup Holders, Coventry City....



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