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DonQuixote
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Interesting to see the game is to be played again, despite the latter fielding a wrong-un...are
they making up the rules as they go along?




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Bradford City chucked out then win an appeal and get a fine instead and now this. There is a lack of consistency at the FA.


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One rule for non-league teams and another rule for the League.


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It just opens up the door for endless appeals in the future.

The rules were if you played a wrong 'un, then you were kicked out.

Unless a team puts dodgy name down then most indiscretions are genuine mistakes but ignorance
is not bliss.

Did this all start a few years back when West Ham went bleating the to the Football League
when they played a bloke against Villa, who'd come on for sub for Gillingham in an earlier round?

How they won that argument beggars belief.




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Also intrigued to see Guernsey no show at Carshalton because they missed the 'plane was played "again" recently


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Bradford City chucked out then win an appeal and get a fine instead and now this. There is a lack of consistency at the FA.


To be as fair as possible to the FA, Bradford WERE chucked out but then reinstated by, I believe, an independent Appeal Board. That would have been out of the FA's direct control and presumably set a precedent that the FA felt they couldn't go against here. The circumstances are very similar. Chesterfield would almost certainly have appealed and won had the FA come to any other verdict.

In my view, the Appeal Board were wrong about Bradford, and the FA should have set out after that to make the rules as simple, clear and loophole-free as humanly possible.

Out of interest, can anybody recall a case of a non-league club fielding an ineligible player and NOT automatically being kicked out of ANY competition. I can't think of one, but I'd be surprised if it's NEVER happened.


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Bradford City chucked out then win an appeal and get a fine instead and now this. There is a lack of consistency at the FA.


To be as fair as possible to the FA, Bradford WERE chucked out but then reinstated by, I believe, an independent Appeal Board. That would have been out of the FA's direct control and presumably set a precedent that the FA felt they couldn't go against here. The circumstances are very similar. Chesterfield would almost certainly have appealed and won had the FA come to any other verdict.

In my view, the Appeal Board were wrong about Bradford, and the FA should have set out after that to make the rules as simple, clear and loophole-free as humanly possible.

Out of interest, can anybody recall a case of a non-league club fielding an ineligible player and NOT automatically being kicked out of ANY competition. I can't think of one, but I'd be surprised if it's NEVER happened.


Len Glover, Kettering v Tilbury FA cup 1st Round 1977-1978. Tilbury eventually went through after the 2nd replayed game.


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Maidstone United beat Hythe Town 4-0 in an FA Cup 2Q game in the early 2000's. They played Paul Ribbens who came on as sub with 10 or so minutes to go. Maidstone signed the player from Dartford. Maidstone were in the Kent League and Dartford were in the Southern League. However, Dartford's reserves were also members of the Kent League.


The Kent League authorised the registration of the player without asking for his de-registration from Dartford (they apparently overlooked this.) Maidstone were unaware of the player's Kent League registration with another club as the league itself had not flagged it up.


Maidstone won their FA appeal against using an ineligible player as they argued that the Kent League (if it had followed it's correct player registration procedures) should not have authorised the player's registration with Maidstone without first de-registering him from Dartford.


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Out of interest, can anybody recall a case of a non-league club fielding an ineligible player and NOT automatically being kicked out of ANY competition. I can't think of one, but I'd be surprised if it's NEVER happened.


Tiverton Town after beating Bristol Manor Farm 1-0 in the 2001-02 FAC 1st Round Qualifying. The game was played again, this time at The Creek, with Tivvy winning again, 4-1.


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And another one. On Oct19th 1999, Altrincham lost an FA Cup 4th Round Qualifying Replay at Stalybridge Celtic 1-2. However, Celtic had fielded the ineligible Andy Mason. As they had apparently checked with the FA if he was able to play and had been given the incorrect answer, the match was ordered to be replayed on the day of the 1st Round Proper.

This time Celtic came from 0-2 down to win 3-2 after extra time.


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Thanks for the replies.


In the back of my mind, I seem to recall that VS Rugby fielded an ineligible player against Irthlingborough Diamonds (whatever happened to them? Crazy )during their run to the FA Vase in 1982/83, but were allowed to replay the tie.


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To be played on Friday 2nd January. No replay if drawn, straight to extra-time and penalties if required.

Why not next Monday or Tuesday? Shame for Worcester if they get through tonight to have a third round tie on a midweek evening.


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It does mean that if Worcester win tonight they'll be able to say they're in the Fourth Round draw!


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Just to let anyone know that for the neutral Friday's "replay" at least throws up a bargain as tickets are only £6 on the day only £4 if bought in advance


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I wonder if they played Hot Chocolate's 'So you win again' after the final whistle tonight?




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Followed by the 'Hokey Cokey' for the home fans.



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A well deserved victory (again) made sweeter as it gave a finger to the buffoons at the FA, decent gate 8040 with 1137 Spireites


(This post was edited by moondog on Jan 3, 2015, 9:48 AM)


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A well deserved victory (again) made sweeter as it gave a finger to the buffoons at the FA, decent gate 8040 with 1137 Spireites


Buffoons at the FA? It was Chesterfield who made the mistake and should have been kicked out.


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Actually strictly speaking it was Wolves fault for not submitting the paperwork to the FA, accepting we should have chased them up.

Our secretary didn't do this because the manager didn't inform her permission had been granted

My "bufoon" comment arises from the fact the FA couldn't chuck us out because their appeals panel had ruled in an identical case involving Bradford City a couple of seasons back that the punishment was excessive and downgraded it to a £1,000 fine.

The FA therefore knew had they chucked us out given the Bradford precedent it would have been overturned on appeal, so they came up with the fudge of a decision, which was bizzare as MK Dons supported our case at the hearing, so we committed an offence where there was no victim.

Instead the fans paid the price stumping up for a replay neither club wanted, hence why I consider the FA to be buffoons


(This post was edited by moondog on Jan 4, 2015, 11:04 PM)

 
 


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