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UEFA approves format for new Nations league starting in 2018! New competition will feature promotion and relegation & replace most international friendlies!

http://www.uefa.com/.../newsid=2191264.html

http://www.uefa.org/...at+schedule+approved

Tried to give a better and clickable link. Other detail should be accessible off this link - Leo


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UEFA approves format for new Nations league starting in 2018! New competition will feature promotion and relegation & replace most international friendlies!

http://www.uefa.com/.../newsid=2191264.html

http://www.uefa.org/...at+schedule+approved

Tried to give a better and clickable link. Other detail should be accessible off this link - Leo



That's good news

If the competition were starting immediately, the league set up would be:

League A (4 Groups of 3)
Germany
Belgium
Netherlands
France
Portugal
Spain
Italy
Switzerland
Croatia
Greece
Ukraine
England


LEAGUE B (4 groups of 3)
Romania
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Iceland
Austria
Russia
Denmark
Wales
Slovenia
Scotland
Sweden

LEAGUE C (2 groups of 3 and 2 groups of 4)
Northern Ireland
Poland
Israel
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Hungary
Bulgaria
Republic of Ireland
Finland
Montenegro
Norway
Armenia
Estonia
Lithuania

LEAGUE D (4 groups of 4)
Lithuania
Cyprus
Macedonia
Latvia
Belarus
Georgia
Moldova
Azerbaijan
Luxembourg
Kazakhstan
Liechtenstein
Malta
Faroe Islands
Andorra
San Marino
Gibraltar

The four group winners in Leagues BCD are promoted and the bottom team in each group in Leagues ABC are relegated.

IN League A the 4 group winners play off for the championship.

And an interesting note:

• The winner and runner-up in each of the ten EURO Qualifiers groups will qualify automatically for the UEFA EURO 2020 final tournament (June 2020)

• The four remaining UEFA EURO 2020 places will be allocated to the winners of play-off matches which will take place in March 2020. Based on results in the UEFA Nations League, 16 teams will take part in the play-offs and are grouped four by four



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If I understood the UEFA releases correctly, the play offs for Euro 2020 will involve four teams from each of the four divisions. So each of those winners in the four groups of 4 in Group D will get a crack at the winners from a higher group. As far as I could see the play offs would be semi-final and final as knockout.

Although assuming most League A teams will qualify directly, extra places should open up for League B teams in the play offs.

UEFA only officially give their rankings after each two year cycle, but http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ shows the current state of affairs. This shows France in a false high position, as their quotient for cycle 3 is known (= qualification but not finals for World Cup 2014).

The list I mention has Greece and Ukraine no longer in the top 12, replaced by Czech and Russia. The Republic of Ireland are 23rd, and hence are heading for League B, while Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland could all be in League C



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I have been trying to find something that I don't like about this but, credit where it's due, I think UEFA have come up with a pretty decent plan here.

• It will do away with a lot of dull, meaningless friendlies
• Teams will be playing matches against others of similar strength meaning even the weakest might manage the odd competitive match
• The groups are small enough to make every match meaningful
• Restricting it to four levels ensures that a country can progress to the top reasonably quickly or vice versa
• The repechage for qualification to other tournaments adds another layer of interest.


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The draw for the Nations League takes place in Lausanne on 24 January 2018.

England are in League A (pot 2)
(Best draw) Portugal, England & Netherlands
(Worst draw) Germany, England & Poland

The 4 League A winners qualify for the semi-finals with the bottom team in each League A group relegated to League B


Wales (pot 1), Rep of Ireland (pot 2) and Northern Ireland (pot 3) are in League B. Best and worst draw for them

Wales
(Best) Wales, Ukraine, Czech Republic
(Worst) Wales, Sweden, Denmark

Northern Ireland
(Best) Austria, Ukraine, Northern Ireland
(Worst) Russia, Sweden, Northern Ireland

Rep of Ireland
(Best) Austria, Rep of Ireland, Northern Ireland
(Worst) Russia, Rep of Ireland, Denmark

There could also be a group of Wales, Rep of Ireland, Northern Ireland
The 4 League B winners are promoted to League A and the 4 bottom teams relegated to League C


Scotland (pot 1) are in League C
(Best) Scotland, Albania, Finland
(Worst) Scotland, Serbia, Montenegro and in a 4 team group

The 4 League C winners are promoted to League B. The 3 bottom League C nations in the 4 team groups are relegated to League D along with the bottom ranked 3rd placed nation from all League C groups ... simples


These are my opinions, not based on current rankings which may not be that of others


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Nations League Draw

League A
Group 1: Netherlands, France, Germany
Group 2: Iceland, Switzerland, Belgium
Group 3: Poland, Italy, Portugal
Group 4: Croatia, England, Spain
League B
Group 1: Czech Republic, Ukraine, Slovakia
Group 2: Turkey, Sweden, Russia
Group 3: Northern Ireland, Bosnia & Herzogovina, Austria
Group 4: Denmark, Republic of Ireland, Wales
League C
Group 1: Israel, Albania, Scotland
Group 2: Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary
Group 3: Cyprus, Bulgaria, Norway, Slovenia
Group 4: Lithuania, Montenegro, Serbia, Romania
League D
Group 1: Andorra, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Georgia
Group 2: San Marino, Moldova, Luxembourg, Belarus
Group 3: Kosovo, Malta, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan
Group 4: Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Armenia, Macedonia

Matchday 1: Sep 6-8
Matchday 2: Sept 9-11
Matchday 3: Oct 11-13
Matchday 4: Oct 14-16
Matchday 5: Nov 15-17
Matchday 6: Nov 18-20
Finals: June 5-9, 2019



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Some of those league D games look like a long journey to be watched by a sparse crowd.
Andorra v Kazakhstan, anyone?



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Some of those league D games look like a long journey to be watched by a sparse crowd.
Andorra v Kazakhstan, anyone?


Yes, perhaps we should organise a forum outing to Baku to watch Azerbaijan vs Fareo Islands!


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Some of those league D games look like a long journey to be watched by a sparse crowd.
Andorra v Kazakhstan, anyone?

So will Croatia v England

Being played behind closed doors after the swastika on the pitch incident at Croatia vs Italy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42874561



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From what I have read in a newspaper (can't remember which one) there will be a play-off in League D with the winner being given a place in the Euro 2020 finals. Which could be the Faroe Islands, arguably one of the best teams in League D at present.


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From what I have read in a newspaper (can't remember which one) there will be a play-off in League D with the winner being given a place in the Euro 2020 finals. Which could be the Faroe Islands, arguably one of the best teams in League D at present.


One nation from each league will qualify for Euro2020, unless all nations from a particular league qualify via the normal Euro qualifier route, in which case that slot drops to the league below, There are 4 spots available to Nations League winners.


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From what I have read in a newspaper (can't remember which one) there will be a play-off in League D with the winner being given a place in the Euro 2020 finals. Which could be the Faroe Islands, arguably one of the best teams in League D at present.


One nation from each league will qualify for Euro2020, unless all nations from a particular league qualify via the normal Euro qualifier route, in which case that slot drops to the league below, There are 4 spots available to Nations League winners.


It would be fantastic to see one of the minnows at the tournament.

If they're drawn in England's group then I can see it being 0-0...


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From what I have read in a newspaper (can't remember which one) there will be a play-off in League D with the winner being given a place in the Euro 2020 finals. Which could be the Faroe Islands, arguably one of the best teams in League D at present.


One nation from each league will qualify for Euro2020, unless all nations from a particular league qualify via the normal Euro qualifier route, in which case that slot drops to the league below, There are 4 spots available to Nations League winners.


It would be fantastic to see one of the minnows at the tournament.

If they're drawn in England's group then I can see it being 0-0...


Latvia have already previously qualified for a major tournament, whether you class them as a minnow, I don't know, but they are currently in league D.


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It would be fantastic to see one of the minnows at the tournament.

Why would it? Surely it would be better if the best 24 teams qualified, or better still just the best 16.


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It would be fantastic to see one of the minnows at the tournament.

Why would it? Surely it would be better if the best 24 teams qualified, or better still just the best 16.

I'd like to see more of the minnows as it's a change from the teams who are there every time. However, the 24 team format is the worst possible as it encourages defensive football which, coupled with having lots of well-drilled defensive units with little attacking potency, makes for an awful lot of boring football.


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It would be fantastic to see one of the minnows at the tournament.

Why would it? Surely it would be better if the best 24 teams qualified, or better still just the best 16.


Same reason we think it's great when a Non-League team has a decent run in the FA Cup. Most of us love an underdog.


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Agreed. However the Nations League format for qualifying for the Euros is akin to seeding the FA Cup draw so that a non league team is guaranteed to reach the quarter finals every year or reserving a Champions League place for the best Championship club. It's a nonsense.


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How's this all going to work for future tournaments?

There's no host for Euro 2020 so 20 + 4 is quite neat.

But Euro 2024 will have a host so 1 + 19 + 4?!

And who knows what's happening with the World Cup.

The Nations League might be scrapped before all this of course.



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How's this all going to work for future tournaments?

There's no host for Euro 2020 so 20 + 4 is quite neat.

But Euro 2024 will have a host so 1 + 19 + 4?!

And who knows what's happening with the World Cup.

The Nations League might be scrapped before all this of course.


I don't think qualification for the WC via the Nations League is on the table, with the WC being a FIFA competition.

UEFA could stick with this new format in 2024, only 2 bid have been received so far, Germany and Turkey. Having stadiums bid for matches and just holding the semi finals and final in one stadium might be the way to go since not many countries have the facilities to host a 24 team tournament.


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It might occur to the lesser teams in each level that relegation could be a good thing, making qualification for the next but one Euros easier, especially when they are already out of contention in the Nations League.



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It might occur to the lesser teams in each level that relegation could be a good thing, making qualification for the next but one Euros easier, especially when they are already out of contention in the Nations League.


Some teams have already sussed that one out. By not playing friendlies prior to a WC or EC qualifying draw they can hold on to their rankings try and get an easier draw. I expect some nations will put out weaker sides if it looks like they could be relegated and hopefully get an easier draw for qualification to the EC finals.


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Having stadiums bid for matches and just holding the semi finals and final in one stadium might be the way to go since not many countries have the facilities to host a 24 team tournament.


I was wondering if it might pave the way for more joint bids. Either 'equal partner' type bids like (and I know they've done it before) Belgium and the Netherlands, or possibly 'senior and junior' pairs which might be a way for smaller countries to be part of hosting an event that they couldn't bid for outright, so maybe Germany & Denmark, Italy & Switzerland, Poland & Lithuania etc. with an unequal share of games, but both qualifying as host.


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Having stadiums bid for matches and just holding the semi finals and final in one stadium might be the way to go since not many countries have the facilities to host a 24 team tournament.


I was wondering if it might pave the way for more joint bids. Either 'equal partner' type bids like (and I know they've done it before) Belgium and the Netherlands, or possibly 'senior and junior' pairs which might be a way for smaller countries to be part of hosting an event that they couldn't bid for outright, so maybe Germany & Denmark, Italy & Switzerland, Poland & Lithuania etc. with an unequal share of games, but both qualifying as host.


Both Switzerland and Poland have already co-hosted Euro finals. Not sure Lithuania has even one stadium suitable for Euro finals matches, the stadium where England played there was described as a 'non-league ground'.



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Early Euro's use to have SF and final in one of the countries that qualified for the semi-finals with the Sf in midweek and the final the following weekend. The last time this method was used was 1976.


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Nations League Draw

League A
Group 1: Netherlands, France, Germany
Group 2: Iceland, Switzerland, Belgium
Group 3: Poland, Italy, Portugal
Group 4: Croatia, England, Spain
League B
Group 1: Czech Republic, Ukraine, Slovakia
Group 2: Turkey, Sweden, Russia
Group 3: Northern Ireland, Bosnia & Herzogovina, Austria
Group 4: Denmark, Republic of Ireland, Wales
League C
Group 1: Israel, Albania, Scotland
Group 2: Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary
Group 3: Cyprus, Bulgaria, Norway, Slovenia
Group 4: Lithuania, Montenegro, Serbia, Romania
League D
Group 1: Andorra, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Georgia
Group 2: San Marino, Moldova, Luxembourg, Belarus
Group 3: Kosovo, Malta, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan
Group 4: Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Armenia, Macedonia

Matchday 1: Sep 6-8
Matchday 2: Sept 9-11
Matchday 3: Oct 11-13
Matchday 4: Oct 14-16
Matchday 5: Nov 15-17
Matchday 6: Nov 18-20
Finals: June 5-9, 2019


Croatia v England will be played behind closed doors.
Hope no one has booked hotels etc!

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