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1896
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Aug 1, 2014, 11:19 AM

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Now I'm living in Edinburgh, I'm exploring Junior football a bit more. Been to Armadale Thistle last week (brilliant ground) and will go to Dundonald Bluebell this evening. I was wondering why so many clubs in the Junior have a flower as a suffix? I get the Thistle, but "Rose", "Bluebell", "Hawthorn" and "Violet"? I love it, but does anybody knows why this is the case?


prorege
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Aug 1, 2014, 11:40 AM

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Difficult to give a definitive answer.

However, most of the early teams with a "flower" suffix came from mining / heavy industrial areas. One theory is that the flower names represented a brighter picture than calling the team "Colliery" or "Ironworks". Also easy to link to the club colours or badge.

My own favourites are Fishcross Heatherbell, Crossgates Primrose, Loanhead Mayflower, Hill of Beath Hawthorn and Easthouses Lily. Dundee Violet's nickname is the Pansies. Old-timers still refer to Newmanins United as "The Dallies", a Scots version of Dahlias.


PaulC
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Aug 1, 2014, 2:51 PM

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I rather like Burnfoothill Primrose and Benwhat Heatherbell (both from long-deserted miners' rows high above Patna and Dalmellington in South Ayrshire).


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Mister TwoU
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Aug 1, 2014, 4:20 PM

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Now I'm living in Edinburgh, I'm exploring Junior football a bit more. Been to Armadale Thistle last week (brilliant ground) and will go to Dundonald Bluebell this evening. I was wondering why so many clubs in the Junior have a flower as a suffix? I get the Thistle, but "Rose", "Bluebell", "Hawthorn" and "Violet"? I love it, but does anybody knows why this is the case?



This 'flower habit' in team naming likely arose among largely 'protestant'-run teams, to distance them from the rife sectarianism of the times. It was hoped that being associated with such a benign totem would decrease the likelihood of internecine supporter violence.
I've no idea whether it worked just so, however it's obvious that a certain amount of 'nationalism' was allowed to creep into things, via the adoption of the Scots National flower by so many teams: the generally prickly and bit nasty 'Thistle'!



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sjosta
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Aug 1, 2014, 8:40 PM

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Benwhat is of course the Anglicised version of the old name, which pronounced the same was spelt "Benquhat"; the quh was the old form of what is now wh



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PaulC
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Aug 2, 2014, 9:28 PM

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Benwhat is of course the Anglicised version of the old name, which pronounced the same was spelt "Benquhat"; the quh was the old form of what is now wh



"quh" still exists in surnames like Colquhoun and Farquhar. In the past quho, qhhen, quhat were standard spellings of who, when, what.


1896
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Aug 5, 2014, 10:52 AM

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Thanks for the answers :-)


bmccoll
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Aug 6, 2014, 2:04 PM

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For a comprehensive list of 'flower' names search through the online Club Directory at the SFHA using the 'find' function in excel.



http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/

 
 


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