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Bervie Caledonian – play at Booth Park in the nearby village of Gourdon rather than Inverbervie itself. Quite a nice wee park with a cemetery adjoining.

I presume this is the ground of former juniors Gourdon Selbie.



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THE CALEDONIAN AMATEUR LEAGUE

Introduction
Don’t confuse this with the Kingdom Caledonian League that operates in Fife – there is no connection. The CAL was established in 1983 – five years before its main rival, the Central Scottish Amateur League. It would be fair to say that the CAL is now second in terms of standard to the CSAL. From the groundhopping point of view this League has plenty to offer. Some of the grounds are of a very decent standard, close to if not as good as some Junior grounds. Quite a few of the clubs have decent websites and twitter feeds.

Territory
Currently encompasses a few teams from the Stirling area, through Lanarkshire and Glasgow to Renfrewshire and West Dunbartonshire, not forgetting Rothesay from the Isle of Bute in the Firth of Clyde. Used to be much more widespread, including Pencaitland from East Lothian and several Edinburgh sides.

Standard
The standard is good – I would say equivalent to the East of Scotland Senior League or the mid / lower level Juniors. Many of the clubs are long-established. The League would not admit clubs who are a “flash in the pan”, and for that reason are sometimes regarded as a bit snooty.

Structure
Two Divisions with promotion / relegation. The League has aimed to have two leagues of 12 and has usually been around that size. It currently has 12 + 14, probably to provide some insurance against possible defectors or casualties.

Member Clubs 2013/14

PREMIER LEAGUE
Doune Castle Rovers – Established in 1954, they play in the Moray Public Park, just north of the main road through Doune. It’s a historic wee place, eight miles north-west of Stirling. Doune Castle was where much of Monty Python and the Holy Grail was filmed in 1974.
Giffnock North AAC – Scottish Cup Winners 1956/7, Founder Members of the CAL in 1983. Play at the Northolm Sports Complex, on a railed pitch. Beware that the postcode and directins on the club website are not very accurate. Giffnock is a very well-to-do area on the south side of Glasgow noted for its large Jewish community. The football club are a subsidiary of Giffnock North Amateur Athletic Club. Founded in 1943 they were long-time members of the Scottish Amateur League before the CAL was formed. Their third team now plays in the SAL.
Gartcosh United – Scottish Cup Runners Up 2004/5. Gartcosh is a small town east of Glasgow, between the city and Coatbridge and served by its own junction on the M73. It used to be home to a huge steel rolling mill and now has various modern industrial parks. Due to a strange local bye-law, no pubs, betting shops or Catholic Churches are allowed within the boundaries of Gartcosh. He football team, known as “The Cosh” play on the local public park. It’s not the most inspiring venue. They’ve produced some decent players down the years, most notably Pat Nevin.
Glasgow Harp – play at the Allan Glens Playing Fields to the north of Glasgow, on the road to Bishopbriggs. There’s a nice wee grandstand in the grounds but that is beside one of the rugby pitches. The football club use a roped off pitch at the south end of the grounds. One of the younger teams in the League having been formed as recently as 1988. I’m not sure exactly what their origins were but they wear green and have a harp as their crest.
EKFC – Second team of East Kilbride FC, now members of the Lowland League. They were formed in 2010 and have the financial backing of local businessmen. Their claims to be descendants of the East Kilbride club formed in 1871 are spurious. They share the artificial pitch at the K-Park with their Lowland League side, although they may play elsewhere in the town if there are clashes.
Westerlands - Founder Members of the CAL in 1983. The club was formed in 1967 and plays in thePollok area of Glasgow. Their pitch is within Pollok County Park, next to Drumbreck Road.
Milton Amateurs – Scottish Cup Runners Up 1996/7. They have their own enclosed ground at Bluebellwood Park in Bannockburn, near Stirling. The Milton in their name refers to Whins of Milton, an area of Stirling.
St Mungo’s – Formed in 1953, St Mungos FP were founder Members of the CAL in 1983. They pay their home games at the Loretto Playing Fields in Bishopbriggs, just north of Glasgow It’s a large complex of good quality grass pitches.
Dumbarton Academy - Scottish Cup Winners 1970/1, Runners Up 2000/1. Founded in 2011. The usual home park is the Academy Playing Fields, next to Townend Road in Dumbarton. The Common and Argyle parks are sometimes used as alternative venues.
Cambria – A kind of West of Scotland Spartans, Cambria were formed as a team for graduates from Strathclyde University. They play at the Strathclyde University Playing Fields on Stepps Road in the north of Glasgow. Their second team plays in the Greater Glasgow Premier League.
Glasgow University - Founder Members of the CAL in 1983. The only team from the CAL to have full SFA membership and therefore play in the big Scottish Cup. Lost 3-1 to Gala Fairydean in Round 1 this season. Their home grounds are just north of Maryhill on the north side of Glasgow. Officially known as the Garscube Sports Complex, it is usually referred to as the “Science Parks”. The main grass pitch is floodlit but not enclosed.
Cambusbarron Rovers – Scottish Cup Winners 1967/8, 1968/9, 1977/8. Founder Members of the CAL in 1983. Play at Mill Road Park in Cambusbarron, a village on the western edge of Stirling. Has a semi-enclosed feel about it.


DIVISION ONE
Dalziel HSFP – Scottish Cup Winners 1997/8. Dalziel High School was once the Senior Secondary” for the Motherwell area, although it is now a comprehensive. From days of yore they had extensive playing fields on the north-east side of Motherwell. Some years ago part of this was sold off to provide extra funding for the school and also to develop the sports facilities. Dalziel HSFP play at the Dalziel Park which is accessed from Carfin. Motherwell FC also use it as a training ground.
Bearsden – Scottish Cup Winners 1961/2, Runners Up 1998/9. Bearsden AFC play at Thorn Park in Bearsden. Although it is a two-pitch venue it has quite nice enclosed feel to it. Bearsden is one ofe well-to-do suburbs of north Glasgow.
Rhu – Scottish Cup Winners 1966/7. Ardenconnel Park in Rhu is a lovely tree-lined venue on the north-western edge of the town. Well-worth a visit. Rhu itself is about 25 miles north-west of Glasgow, between Helensburgh and the Faslane Naval Base.
Milngavie Wanderers – Milngavie is one of those places where “soothmoothers” can make an erse of themselves trying to pronounce it – “Mill-Guy” is the correct expression. Milngavie Wanderers play at the Staney Brig, a nicely enclosed venue on the north of the town. It’s not the easiest place to find but its worth it when you get there!
Strathclyde University – use their own playing fields at Stepps Road, shared with Camvria AFC 9see above).
Viewfield Rovers – Scottish Cup Winners 2003/4, Runners Up 1991/2. Founder Members of the CAL in 1983. Thanks to some archaic rules, Viewfield quite often qualify from the Renfrewshire Victoria Cup to play St Mirren or Morton in the Semi Final of the Renfrewshire Cup itself. Viewfield play in the town of Lochwinnoch which is between Johnstone and Kilbirnie, on the Renfrwshire / Ayrshire border. Viewfield Park is an enclosed ground which would be not far from Junior standard.
Rothesay Brandane – Play at the fully enclosed Stadium Park, also known as the King George’s Field in Rothesay on the Isle of Bute. It’s a must-do venue for the groundhopper. It’s even got seats. The easiest way to get to Rothesay is to get the ferry from Wemyss Bay. Don’t bother taking the car – you can easily walk from the pier to the ground.
Drumchapel FP – There are several teams with Drumchapel in their name. This one os a fairly recent creation and they play their home games at the Donald Dewar Sports Centre. Drumchapel is close to Clydebank on the north-west edge of Glasgow.
Hamilton FP – play on a playing fields complex (7 pitches) next o the M74 motorway. It’s known a Hamilton Palace. Got to say it would be the last place I’d want to go for a game of football.
Cumbernauld Colts – Now playing at Broadwood Stadium which they share with Clyde FC.
Balmore – Originally based in Carluke and formed in the 1960s, Balmore have traipsed round various venues in South Lanarkshire. They are currently based at the public park in Law, a village between Newmains and Carluke.
East Kilbride YM – Claim to be the oldest club in East Kilbride, having been formed in 1936. They field three teams – as well as the CAL side they have teams in the Scottish Amateur League and the Greater Glasgow Premier League. The Caledonian League team play at EKAthletics Stadium, part of the John Wright Sports Complexon Calderwood Road. It’s floodlit and has an 8-lane running track
Symington Tinto – Another team who have used various venues in South Lanarkshire over the years. This season they are based in the village of Symington where there is a nice semi-enclosed park off Manse Road.
Weirs Recreation – Scottish Cup Winners 1957/8. Founder Members of the CAL in 1983. Weirs were the works team of Weir Pumps, a major industrial concern not far from Hampden. The company created their own park for their employees with cricket, football, tennis and bowling facilities at Newlands. It’s a lovely venue, bordered on two sides by the River Cart. Accessed via Kintore Road, I’d recommend it to anyone. To get an idea of where it is, think west of Hampden and east of Pollok Juniors.


Previous Members include:

Muirend Amateurs, Stanley Amateurs (Glasgow), Liberton Cropley (Edinburgh), Bannockburn Amateurs, Netherton / Barr and Stroud, Coatbridge CC, Pencaitland (East Lothian), Strathclyde Police, Queen’s Park Hampden XI, Morriston YM, Lothian Thistle, Links United (Edinburgh), Bo’ness Amateurs, Jordanhill College, Stirling University

Cups
Member clubs all take part in the Scottish Amateur Cup. They also participate in one of the Scottsh Amateur FA’s Regional Cups – either East of Scotland, West of Scotland or South of Scotland. The Stirling-based clubs flit from East to West depending n which they think they have the best chance winning. There are also two League Cups, the William Turner and Douglas Smith Cups.

Website

http://www.caledonianafa.org.uk/website/


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The League appears to have dropped "Amateur" from its title - it seems to have opted for "Caledonian League".


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In Reply To
The League appears to have dropped "Amateur" from its title - it seems to have opted for "Caledonian League".


Thanks for that.

In reply to your earlier post, Gourdon Selbie's original ground was south of the current location, where McGill Terrace now lies.




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Thanks for that!

and as an addendum to the AAFA notes, Johnshaven Dauntless has always been one of my favourite club names.

Has anyone a copy of this booklet?



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Yes, I have a copy of it and very good it is too.


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Onwards to the other "Pan Western" Amateur League, the best in terms of playing standards:
CENTRAL SCOTTISH AMATEUR LEAGUE

Introduction
The Caledonian League contains mainly long-established clubs with a good infrastructure. It has had a very stable membership over the years. The Central Scottish Amateur League is more concerned about current playing strength. Teams tend to come and go from this League depending on their strength and enthusiasm at the time. Whilst some have good facilities most have grounds that would be of little interest to the sensible groundhopper. Most teams have two or three !approved grounds” and do a bit of groundhopping themselves, depending on the weather.

Territory
Similar to the area covered by the Caledonian League – Stirling, North Lanarkshire, Glasgow, Dunbartonshire and into Renfrewshire. There’s a definite concentration of teams from the East Dunbartonshire / North Lanarkshire area. The only East Coast team to ever enter were Spartans. Their Seconds played in this League before they went Junior and then moved to the East Seniors. There used to be quite a few teams from the Falkirk / Grangemouth area but most of these have now left.

Standard
The top teams in this league are probably the best in Scottish Amateur Football. In terms of overall strength there is little to choose between this League and the Caledonian League. Both would stand comparison with the East of Scotland Senior League and the mid / lower order of the Juniors.

Structure

The Premier League is simple enough. The two First Divisions are parallel but not geographic. Teams are randomly “drawn” into League A or League B a the AGM. The two Champions are promoted. The two Runners-Up go into a Play Off with the third bottom team in the Premier Division – the winners of the round robin play in the next season’s Premier Division.


Member Clubs 2013/14

Premier Division

Harestanes – Scottish Cup Winners 2001/2, 2002/3. Play at the Merkland Sports Centre on the eastern side of Kirkintilloch. They usually use the pitch with the running track around it. Have also been known to use some of the local school astro pitches during bad weather.
Colville Park - Scottish Cup Winners 1975/6. They have a good pitch at the Colville Park Country Club, located between Motherwell and Carfin. If it is unplayable they will usually be found at the Keir Hardie Leisure Centre 3G in Holytown.
Drumchapel Amateurs - Scottish Cup Winners 2004/5. “the Drum” play at Duntocher Hibs old ground, Glenhead Park, which was also home to Clydebank when they first came back to the Juniors. Excellent ground, well worth visiting. The club enjoys legendary status in Scottish football for having produced the most amazing conveyor belt of talent down the years. Sir Alex Ferguson, David Moyes, Andy Gray, Archie Gemmill, John Wark, Asa Hartford and John Robertson are some of the best known but the club produced a total of 24 full internationalists for Scotland. IN poor weather they try to get a pitch at the Science Parks in Maryhill. See this link for a fascinating history of the club:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2354346/Visionary-who-made-dreams-come-true.html
Bannockburn - Scottish Cup Winners 1986/7, 1993/4. Play at Ladywell Park in Bannockburn, close to Stirling. There are two pitches, Upper and Lower, which are quite separate. Currently the Amateurs seem to be playing on Ladywell Upper which is better-drained.
Wellhouse - Scottish Cup Winners 2012/13. From the Shettleston district of the east end of Glasgow, where average male life expectancy is 53. Use either the Astro or Grass pitches of the Shettleston Playing Fields.
Campsie Minerva – Play at the High Park in Lennoxtown, north of Glasgow near Kirkintilloch. The name of Campsie has been active in Scottish football since Victorian times – this club are a much more recent innovation.
Ashvale Victoria – Sometimes use Benburb’s park, depending on availability. If not available they use either the Cowan Park in Darnley (a council playing field between Glasgow and Barrhead) or the Crookfur Playing Fields in Newton Mearns.
St Patricks FP - Scottish Cup Winners 1989/90, 1998/9, 2005/6. The St Pats HS in question is in Dumbarton. The football team play at the Posties Park - it’s about 200 yards from Dumbarton’s ground as the crow flies and two miles by road or on foot. It’s across the River Leven from “The Rock”. Quite picturesque.
Eastfield – Cumbernauld based side whose normal home is at Ravenswood. This is the huge complex of pitches next to the main road from Glasgow to Stirling. One of them used to be enclosed as home for Cumbernauld United Juniors but no trace is now visible.
Greenock HSFP – One time members of the SAFA and entrants to the Qualifying Cup. They now play at Battery Park in Gourock, usually on one of the grass pitches, but sometimes on the slightly better than caged 3G which was used by the Juniors for a while.
Uddingston Anvil – Play on a caged 3G pitch at Tannochside, close to Thorniewood United’s ground.

Division One A

Blantyre Celtic – Usual home ground is the Jock Stein Centre Astro pitch on Hillhouse Road, Hamilton. It’s the bog standard caged astro set-up. Alternatively they may use one of the grass pitches in Stonefield Public Park towards the centre of Blantyre.
Arthurlie United - Play at one of two grounds. The West of Scotland University Sports Fields has two grass pitches just of the B774 from Paisley to Barhead. They have also been known to play at the Kingston Playing Fields in Neilston, proposed future home to Neilstyon Juniors new ground. Neither venue is very exciting.
Aikenhead Thistle – Play at the Firhill Sports Complex on Hopehill Road in Glasgow. It’s a 3G that sits on your right as you head out of Glasgow City Centre, heading for Partick Thistle’s ground.
Scotia Athletic – Use one of the multitude of pitches at the Hamilton Palace Sports Centre.
Kilsyth – Normally use the Kilsyth Sports field which was home to Cumbernauld United when they were first formed. It’s enclosed and has a broad running track. It’s in the same industrial estate as Kilsyth Rangers ground.
Garrowhill Thistle – Play on the caged 3G pitch at Lochend Community High School in Easterhouse, on the eastern fringe of Glasgow, close to Coatbridge.
Linwood – Play at the Linwood Sports Centre, close to Johnstone in Renfrewshire. The complex has a caged 3G and a grass pitch surrounded by a running track.
Stedfast – Play on the Temple Playing Fields in the Anniesland district of North West Glasgow, close to some well-known rugby grounds.
Mill United – Play at Fairhill Park in Mill Road, Hamilton. It’s not the best of areas.
Condorrat Club – Condorrat is a neighbourhood of Cumbernauld, close to the main road from Glasgow to Stirling. Their normal home pitch is Morar Park in Condorrat which is a hard-to-find secluded venue off the Condorrat Ring Road. In bad weather they may be found at the Broadwood Stadium.
Redbrae – Usually use Merkland Park in Kirkintilloch (see Harestanes).
East Kilbride – Part of the bigger EK football club whose first team plays in the Lowland League. This is their “reserve side” and usually plays on the The Murray Playing Fields in EK. Ballerup Public Park is another possible location.

Division One B

Pollok – Play their home games at Lourdes. Lourdes Secondary School that is – a large Catholic Secondary not far from Ibrox. It has a caged astro and a grass pitch.
Steins Thistle – Steins Park in Allandale is a wee treat. It’s a semi-enclosed ground with a nice feel about it. The village of Allandale sits in the shadow of the Castlecary Arches, the Railway viaduct over the M80 between Cumbernauld and Denny. I’d recommend this one.
Postal United – Normal home ground is the Haghill Sports Centre on Cumbernauld Road. It’s quite a nice enclosed venue, in Alexandra Park, not too far from Celtic Park. The Haghill area has a bad reputation. A mate who worked as a postie there told me that the locals, for a laugh, used to tape their used needles under the bannisters in the tenements to try and jag any visitors. Postal sometimes use the Crownpoint Athletics Centre which is on the Gallowgate, closer to the city centre.
Waterside – Play at Luggie Park, Waterside Road in Kirkintilloch. It’s better than a public park pitch but not much.
Kirkintilloch MW – Play at Hunterhill Park in Bishopbriggs. This is the home of Rossvale , whose Junior side play at Petershill. Hunterhill has several grass pitches and an Astro pitch.
Wishaw HSFP - Scottish Cup Winners 2010/11. First choice is to play on the KGV pitches in Wishaw, next to Wishaw Juniors new home. Failing that they try to get the Astro pitch at Wishaw Sports Centre.
Chryston – Grounds wise this is probably the highlight of thois League. Chryston play at the fully enclosed Carrick Park, former home of Glenboig Juniors in the village of Glenboig. It’s to the north of Airdrie and south of Cumbernauld. Sometimes use the adjacent St Josephs Park which is also fully enclosed and up to Junior standard.
Cambusnethan Talbot – Usually use se one of the pitches at the Dalziel Estate, where Dalziel FP of the Caledonian League play. Alternatively they will play on a 3G pitch at either Coltness High School or the Ravenscraig Centre.
Stirling City – Normally play on an open pitch in the King’s Park, close to Stirling city centre. Very picturesque with the Castle in the background but no facilities at all. If it’s unplayable they try to use the Astro pitch next to Stirling Albion’s Forthbank Stadium.
Gourock Athletic – Normally play on the Public Playing Fields on George Road in Gourock. It’s an unispiring venue. May also use Battery Park on the waterfront from time to time.
Mearns – use Crookfur Park on the Ayr Road in Newton Mearns, a posh district on the sluth side of Glasgow. There are two grass pitches, one with a running track.

Previous Members include: Knightswood Amateurs, Bankhall Villa, St Benedicts, Cardross Rock, Bellshill YMCA, Dunipace Amateurs, Killermont, Balmore, Tower Hearts, Hillwood, Denny Westpark, IBM, Renfrew YM, Bellshill YM, Wellhouse, Shettleston Ams, Motherwell MW, Aberforth Rangers, Spartans 2nd XI, Tullibody Amateurs, Buchanan Thistle, Eddlewood, Gartsherrie United, Monteith, BP Amateurs, Bellshill Carousel, Vale of Clyde Amateurs, Plains Amateurs, Brightons, Cumbernauld Thistle, High Blantyre United, Fauldhouse Amateurs, Eastfield United, Cumbernauld Clyde.

This long list reflects the high turnover of clubs in the CSAL. Rather than having a long-term infrastructure, clubs in this league are more likely to based around a cohort of players / management. When it breaks up the club will often disappear. This also partially explains the poor quality and lack of certainty about grounds - this is purely a league for players, not spectators.

Cups

Teams enter the Scottish Amateur Cup and most go for the West of Scotland Cup – a few prefer the East. There are also the usual League and Divisional Cups.

Website

http://www.centralscottishafl.co.uk/Home



Next time it will be back to the Geographical Leagues, with a look at the Stirling and District AFA.


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Hi Prorege

Do you have any details of the play-offs from last season? From searching around on Facebook and club sites I have found:

Eastfeld 2-1 Garrowhill
Steins 1-1 Eastfield
Steins 2-1 Garrowhill (Garrowhill were promoting this as the Play-off final, at Fullerton Park, Tollcross)

which would leave Eastfield & Steins (almost typed Staines there) tied but Eastfield have been promoted so I must either have something wrong or a further play-off took place?????


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I am not absolutely certain what happens in the CSAL.

However, in some other Scottish competitions with a round-robin like this, there is a penalty shoot out at the end of each drawn game. The winners get two points and the losers get one.

This may be what happened here.


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From Eastfield's twitter feed, Garrowhill beat Steins 2-1, the reverse of the result you have. Their tweet "Avoid defeat and we are up.", before their game against Steins would also bear this out. The result in this match was confirmed as 1-1. Their 2-1 win against Garrowhill is also confirmed.


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Thanks Paul, I've gone back on Garrowhill's site and seen that the game is shown as a 1-2 win, with the two scorers named. I must have just seen the 1-2.


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Fantastic series Prorege, simply outstanding, you must think about a book along the way, it's great that all the knowledge and insight you have built up over the years is now a shared resource.


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Apologies for the delay in adding to this thread.



STIRLING AND DISTRICT AMATEUR FA

Introduction
Traditionally the Stirling and District Amateur FA was very strong with clubs such as Bannockburn, Cambusbarron and Doune doing well in national tournaments. This was, in part, explained by the fact that Stirling did not have any Junior clubs and the top Amateurs filled that void. The top sides now play in the Caledonian and Central Scottish Amateur Leagues. This Association has a reputation for good organisation and strong discipline – it has attracted members from surrounding areas because of this.

Territory
Covers the Stirling, Clackmannanshire, Falkirk, Denny and Cumbernauld areas, with members also from West Lothian and Lanarkshire.

Standard
The best teams in the area play in the Caledonian and Central Scottish Amateur Leagues. Some of those that are left are good – there is a big variation in standard within this association.

Structure

Four leagues, no geographic divisions. Simple.

Member Clubs 2013/14

PREMIER DIVISION

Carronshore Athletic – Play at Russell Park in McLachlan Street, Stenhousemuir. A decvent pitch that has a semi-enclosed feel about it, not being part of a bigger complex.

Bonnybridge YFP – Play at the Duncan Stewart Memorial Park in Bonnybridge, the former long-term home of Bonnybridge Juniors. It was never one of the best Junior grounds but it does feel like a proper ground.

Barrhill AFC – Play at the Twechar Recreation Centre in Twechar, which is between Kilsyth and Cumbernauld. Another reasonable ground.

Slamannan AFC – High on the moors above Falkirk, Slamannan play at Blinkbonnie Park in the village. The ground has played host to Junior football in the distant past.

Stenhousemuir AFC – Use one of the all-weather pitches at the new Larbert High School, which is actually in Stenhousemuir.

Stirling University – Use one of the outside pitches at the Stirling University Sports Centre. This the Uni’s “Third XI”, below their Lowland League and East of Scotland League sides.

Braehead AFC – Play on a desolate Council pitch at Broom Road in the Braehead area of Stirling.

Loganlea United – Interlopers from West Lothian. They play on Recreation Park in Addiewell. This is not far from Junior standard with a rail around the pitch. Worth a visit.

Tullibody Community AFC – Tullibody is on the western side of Alloa. The football club play on a reasonable pitch at the Community Centre in Abercromby Place. No spectator facilities.

AFC Milton – Play on the Clark Street pitches in Bannockburn. They’re tucked away in a housing scheme and quite hard to find.

California AFC – No longer play in the village they are named after but have moved to Easton Park in Shieldhill, a mile or so away. It sits high on the hill above Falkirk. It’s at the bottom end of Shieldhill and feels like an enclosed ground. Worth visiting.

Zetland AFC – Come from Grangemouth and play on the Zetland Park in Bowhouse Road. One of two adjacent council pitches in a depressing neighbourhood.


DIVISION ONE

Drumpellier Thistle – Although the name suggests a Coatbridge connection, Drumpelier play at Greenfaulds High School in Cumbernauld.

Greenhill Amateurs – Play at Loch Park in High Bonnybridge. Another ground that feels enclosed although there aren’t any spectator facilities as such.

Fallin AFC – Play at the Paterson Playing Fields in Fallin, a comparatively new grass pitch on the site of the old Polmaise Colliery.

Sunnyside Thistle – Play on the Sunnyside Playing Fields in Falkirk. This is the large area of pitches that you see when heading from Camelon to Larbert.

Dunblane Thistle – use the all-weather surface at Dunblane High School. Used to play at the quite wonderful Upper Laighills Park.

Milton FC – Play at the Mayfield Centre close to the Whins of Milton Roundabout, between Stirling and Bannockburn. There’s only one pitch so it’s better than some places for watching football.

Independent FC – Play at St Ambrose High School in Coatbridge which has a brand new astro pitch and floodlights etc.

Tillicoultry FC – Don’t actually play in Tillicoultry – they use the Johnston Park, a large public park in Alva in the shadow of the Ochils. Very scenic indeed.

Callander Thistle – Play at the McLaren High School Leisure Centre on Mollands Road in Callander, West Stirlingshire, usually on a caged astro. Callander is a lovely place but the pitch is bog standard.

Maddiston AFC – Play at Maddiston Welfare Ground in the eponymous village, not far from Falkirk. Can attract quite lively crowds. It’s a ‘single pitch’ and can generate a decent atmosphere.

Riverside AFC – Take their name from a district of Stirling but play on the Haws Park in Bridge of Allan. It’s named after Strathallan Haws, a former Amateur team from the town.

Gormac Thistle – Play at Airdrie Sports Centre, a huge complex on the A73. Sometimes use the “show pitch” with the running track and floodlights.


DIVISION TWO

Stirling Boys Club – Another team who use the Haws Park in Bridge of Allan.

Hillfoots Community AFC Play at the Dumyat Leisure Centre in Menstrie, between Stirling and Alva. Great views of the Ochils.

Doune Castle Amateurs – Play at Moray Park in Doune, shared with their “big brothers” in the Cledonian League. This is the first season that the club have run two teams.

Redbrae Athletic – Seem to move around a lot. Sometimes use the Merkland Drive plaing fields facility in Kirkintilloch. Have also been known to play at Tintock Park in Kirky, or the Queenzieburn Recreation Ground between Kirky and Kilsyth.

Linlithgow Rose Community AFC – Play at Linlithgow Leisure Centre on the western side of the town. A go-ahead club with numerous age group teams. Affiliated to the big Rose.

Campsie FC – Play at Battlefield Park on Campsie Road in Milton of Campsie, near Kirkintilloch. It’s a favourite of mine, and feels like a Junior ground.

Auchengeich Miners FC – Play on the artificial surface at Chryston High School, which is between Cumbernauld and Glasgow.

Glenvale AFC - One of several teams to use the Ravenswood Playing Fields in Cumbernauld – the complex of pitches visible from the main A80 near the Auchenkilns Roundabout.

Cumbernauld Athletic – Another one of several teams to use the Ravenswood Playing Fields in Cumbernauld – the complex of pitches visible from the main A80 near the Auchenkilns Roundabout.

Condorrat AFC – Play at Lomond Drive in Condorrat, a neighbourhood of Cumbernauld. Dreadful council pitch.

Polmont AFC – Play at Meadowbank Park on Salmon Inn Road in Polmont, east of Falkirk. It’s a council pitch beside a sports centre with little to commend it.


DIVISION THREE

Bo’ness Cadora – A famous old name, they play at Douglas Park, more or less across the road from Newtown Park.

MLS Leeds – Interlopers from South Lanarkshire who play at either Tileworks Park in Stonehouse (shared with Royal Albert Juniors) or St Ambrose High School in Coatbridge.

Carse Thistle – Originally a Stirling-based side they have moved out to play on Cowie Public Park. Cowie is a small village between Bannockburn and Larbert. Carse Thistle’s age-group teams launched Drunken Ferguson on an unsuspecting world.

Denny Amateurs – Play at the Denny Football Centre in Shanks Avenue – it’s a caged astro at the new Denny High School.

Forth Thistle – Use the astro pitch at Wallace High School in Stirling, very close to Stirling University.

Airth Castle Rovers – Used to play in the village of Airth but have now moved to the Inchyra Playing Fields in Grangemouth. It’s a complex of grass pitches between Grangemouth Stadium and the Refinery.

Grangemouth Rovers – Another team who use the Inchyra Playing Fields in Grangemouth.

Kildrum United – Play on a pitch at Cumbernauld Rugby Club in Condorrat. Windswept and uninteresting.

Beechwood Albion – Play at Beechwood Park which has quite an enclosed feel about it. It’s in Stirling, close to the Police HQ, but quite difficult to find. Close to the old Annfield Park for those of a certain age.

1FC Abronhill - Another one of several teams to use the Ravenswood Playing Fields in Cumbernauld – the complex of pitches visible from the main A80 near the Auchenkilns Roundabout.

Cumbernauld Rovers – Yet another one of several teams to use the Ravenswood Playing Fields in Cumbernauld – the complex of pitches visible from the main A80 near the Auchenkilns Roundabout.

Cups

As well as the Scottish, most teams choose to play in the East of Scotland Cup. A minority opt for the West. In addition there are the usual Association and Divisional Cups.

Website

http://www.leaguewebsite.co.uk/sdafa/Home


Next time, Lanarkshire Amateurs.


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Excellent stuff, as ever. Was Haws Park used by Strathallan Hawthorn when they were a Junior team?

This triggered memories for me as a pioneer student at Stirling University in the late 60s and early 70s. Even then, I found time to pop into the library in Stirling to pore over old copies of the Stirling Observer and discover for myself the wonders of junior football history. All quite eye-opening for someone who had crossed the border for the first time to go to uni in Stirling.

Now if I'd spent as much time studying in the university library I might have ended up with a better degree.

One of my university friends played amateur in the Stirling & District League and claimed you took you life in your hands when you had to play in one of the old mining villages - Whitecross Welfare was one such team.


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I don't think Strathallan Hawthorn were ever a Junior team - they were Amateur throughout. The Haws park is named after them and, yes, that's where they played.

For many years Stirling Arcadians were the prominent Amateur team in Stirling itself. Players Amateurs were also decent and had their own ground next to the Players Cigarette Factory off Kerse Road. St Ninians Thistle played Amateur for many years after dropping out of the Juniors. However, since the 1960s Cambusbarron, Bannockburn and Milton have domionaied in the Stirling area.

The Stirling area also had some very prominent Juvenile teams, operating up to Under 27 level. Cowie Juveniles and Gowanhill United (who played on the enclosed Shell Park in the Raploch) were especially strong. Gowanhill produced many senior players the most notable of whom was Billy Bremner, who was playing Under 18 football for them at the age of 13.


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I don't have anything to add other than this thread is fascinating reading, prorege, especially for someone like me who knows almost literally nothing about these leagues and clubs.


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Hopefully I'll find time to add to it in the near future. Thanks for the positive feedback!


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I`ve been out of the country for a while. Have you noted that that Dumfries & District Amateur league has folded ?


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prorege (or anyone else!), if I can trouble you with a couple of questions.

I've just come back from a holiday around Fort William and Wester Ross. While there I stumbled across the Lochaber Welfare League, which seems to be a summer competition for clubs around Fort William (and one in Mallaig). However, I'm not familiar with the nomenclature: what's a Welfare League and how does it fit into the wider set-up of other amateur leagues?

Second, can you tell me if there is any league football of any description now being played in the coastal villages anywhere at all north of, let's say, Mallaig or Ardnamurchan? Many thanks in advance for any information you're able to offer.


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The Scottish Welfare FA is separate from the Scottish Amateur FA. Historically Welfare football allowed professionals and ex professionals whilst the Amateurs did not.

Welfare football is now limited to a few hundred clubs when once their were a thousand or more. It was once very strong with workplace teams from industrial Clydeside. Some of their Leagues play Summer and some play Winter. It remains quite strong in the Highlands although the Inverness and District Welfare League defected en masse to the Amateurs this year.

A few Sunday Welfare Leagues remain in the Central Belt; it's what you would call Pub Leagues

An exception is the Forth and Endrick Welfare League which is quite strong and plays on Summer Saturday evenings. They have their own registration conditions - players must have been born, schooled or have lived in the area for 5 years or more. It is very competitive and well supported, covering the are between Stirling and Loch Lomond.

There is no real reason now why the Welfare and Amateur FAs shouldn't merge other than the loss of blazerati.

There are a few renegade unaffiliated Leagues dotted around the most rural parts of Scotland - on Islay for example. Some years ago there was such a League around Scourie and KLB on the north west coast but I don't know if it still runs. By their nature info has always been hard to obtain.


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North of Mallaig the NW Sutherland League operates and now takes in teams from the defunct Sutherland AFA League.

Here's the current league table

https://pbs.twimg.com/.../BofO0ZgCcAAYJiM.jpg

Lochinver, Tongue and Durness are all up the coast from Mallaig (well Tongue is a bit round the corner).

There's also the Skye & Lochalsh League - table here http://www.slafa.org.uk/


If you haven't travelled north of Mallaig you are in for a treat. Assynt is incomparable.


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Fantastic, gents, thanks very much indeed. Paul, we were staying in one of the tiny hamlets immediately south of Applecross. Really, really memorable trip.


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Of those teams in the Skye and Lochalsh League, Kyle, Plockton and Gairloch Aultbea United are all based on the mainland. If there is a place anywhere that is more idyllic than on the loch side at Plockton then I have yet to visit it. The football ground is high above the village at the school, right next to the railway station, but it too commands fine views across to the Cuillin on Syke.

Further north there is a nice ground in Ullapool. The local club is called Lochbroom, but they seem to be intermittent entrants at least in open age competitions. Similarly, Prorege has mentioned Kinlochbervie, and they have been very recent entrants in the Highland Amateur Cup, but seem not to be competing this season. This sort of thing is perhaps not surprising in such isolated communities with such low populations.


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An exhibition at the Heritage Centre in the village indicates that Applecross had some sort of team operating in the 60s and 70s, with mentions of matches against teams like, I think, Kyle, Plockton and Lochcarron. There's an old shirt on display of the deepest red with (somewhat washed out) sky blue cuffs and a sky blue collar. I spied a pitch with extremely tatty goal nets in the otherwise very spick and span village of Torridon, too.


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On the subject of the Scottish Welfare FA - in 2007 I wrote by post to the then Secretary (they had no online prescence although do now) asking if he could provide me with a list of their member leagues and the number of clubs in membership. It's a football anecdote of mine that 7 years into the 21st century, the reply I received was typewritten on fulscap with a seal...

Anyway the totals were:

Regular Season Leagues - Saturday playing
Central Stirlingshire & Dumbarton - 13 clubs (5 & 8) - 8
Dunfermline - 16 clubs

Regular Season Leagues - Sunday playing
Aberdeen - 15 clubs
Forth Valley - 12 clubs - 12
Greenock - 12 clubs - 13
Montrose - 10 clubs - 12
North East Scotland - 12 clubs - 12 (moved to Summer)
Aird & District - 7 clubs

Regular Season Leagues - Midweek playing
Fire Brigades - 8 clubs

Summer Leagues - all Midweek playing
Buchan & District - 7 clubs - 9
Echt & District - 7 clubs
Forres & Nairn - 8 clubs - 9
Forth & Endrick - 12 clubs - 12
Grangemouth - 8 clubs
Inverness & District - 35 clubs - 36
Moray & District - 23 clubs - 22
Rossshire & District - 7 clubs - 7
Fife SISA - 8 clubs

Strathspey & Badenoch - 7 clubs - 6
Girvan - 11 clubs

So in 2007 they had 29 Saturday clubs, 68 Sunday clubs and 133 Summer midweek clubs plus those Fire Brigade affiliations. Total: 238. Since then I understand the numbers have dropped due to clubs and in some cases leagues folding (or merging), or possibly decamping to the Scottish Amateur FA.

Interestingly, the introit to their small 2007-08 handbook still proclaimed they had "approximately in the region of 500 affiliated clubs".


EDIT: Their website has a list from late 2012 (total: 158 - down 34%), almost exactly 5yrs after my correspondance. I've appended its totals in red.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/...st%202012%20v1.2.pdf


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