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sandhurstbee
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A 21 year old from Cheltenham has been arrested in connection with the assault on Chris Kirkland


Thats ruled Leo out of the equation then Tongue



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Making the game more family orientated would certainly help and it was suggested that a contributory factor to the trouble at Hillsborough was the evening kick off which meant few family groups and a nearly all male crowd, add to that many were under the influence of alcohol and its a recipe for trouble.


Not sure whether more families would have gone on a Sunday lunch time, but certainly alcohol would have been less of issue


Doubt it - if there aren't any 24 hour pubs around, they'd just buy loads of cans from the supermarket or offy on Saturday and spend the whole of Sunday morning getting tanked up on those.

Anyone who's hell bent on causing trouble will cause trouble, regardless of when the game's played.



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That we’re (one of) the least racist countries in Europe doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to continue working for greater equality. There’s a lots of criticism of the Kick It Out campaign as ineffective. Again, that doesn’t mean that there shouldn’t be an organisation working for greater diversity in football and preferably not just ‘black’ issues. Why not look to work with more people from Asian and Oriental communities or with gay players and to reduce/ end prejudice?


Greater equality? And what is this prejudice you refer too because I don't see any of it on the football field in this country. As for gay players, does anybody know let alone care whether any players are gay?

Too many of these organisations, and not just football related ones, have their own agenda.

The game certainly has its problems, such as the events at Hillsborough and that's what we should be addressing. I was actually pleasantly suprised that said moron got any custodial sentence!

Going a little bit away from the Leeds thing but...

Dealing with prejudice isn’t just about the playing field. It’s also about the coaching staff, the boardroom and the terraces, none of which are statistically representative of the demographic/ ethnic make-up of this country. As for no prejudice on the field, what about Suarez and Terry?

No current, professional player in England has come out. Like you, I don’t care if there is or isn’t; but are there really no gay, professional players? What is it that prevents them from coming out in our super-tolerant society and with their open-minded colleagues?

Some organisations do have their own agenda but that still doesn’t mean that there isn’t the need for one to promote equality and diversity in football. Maybe, if its scope was widened and not so specific, it would be harder to initiate an agenda beyond promoting inclusiveness generally.

I agree completely that we should be addressing problems like the incident the other night at Hillsborough but I also think that it's possible to deal with more than one issue at a time.


I don't think leeds should be banned for the actions of a few idiots though I do think the FA should look at their record at dealing with it. I can't personally stand the Club as this sort of thing is pretty much what I have come to expect from a minority of their fans over the years.

I was going to pen my own lines on the rest of these points but I cant really add to what you have said here so will just say i agree with your points wholeheartedly! It is my perception that the position of people of any minority in football in considerably worse than in many other walks of life, and that needs addressing.



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Going back to the Leeds incident, it's good to see people who have a go at someone without checking their facts are still abundant in this country. There's a fella called Aaron Cawley on Twitter. He's a Liverpool fan. He's received loads of abuse from people, some of it very extreme, just because he has the same name as the fella who attacked Kirkland. The last message for example reads "u fucking nob u need smashing up". He's taken it in his stride but, so far, not a single person has apologised for wrongly abusing him even after being told they've got the wrong man.

https://twitter.com/AaronCawley1

Reminds me of the plebs who go around smashing up paediatrician's houses.




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Haven't been on here for about a week, many points to raise on this thread, as I read it, most have been covered.

Just one general comment, the one about John Terry can't really be racist, as he plays with black players, & has black friends...& my comments aren't aimed at Terry himself, as I don't know him...

Over the years I've known a few white players who clearly played with black team mates, & were civil enough to their face, with some what the modern term is 'banter', in the old school 'only having a laugh' Jim Davidson mould.

But when the players are in white company, whether supporters &/or players, with no non-white people are there, the racism has shone through, as their true colours come out, with more hate in the conversation as they slag off blacks, foreigners, whoever. But from an outside look, on a matchday, they would mix with the players, be in the same team, & drink with them post match, & all that, so IT IS possible to have 'black friends in football' & still be racist. These sort of people simply tone down how they feel when in black company.



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Haven't been on here for about a week, many points to raise on this thread, as I read it, most have been covered.

Just one general comment, the one about John Terry can't really be racist, as he plays with black players, & has black friends...& my comments aren't aimed at Terry himself, as I don't know him...

Over the years I've known a few white players who clearly played with black team mates, & were civil enough to their face, with some what the modern term is 'banter', in the old school 'only having a laugh' Jim Davidson mould.

But when the players are in white company, whether supporters &/or players, with no non-white people are there, the racism has shone through, as their true colours come out, with more hate in the conversation as they slag off blacks, foreigners, whoever. But from an outside look, on a matchday, they would mix with the players, be in the same team, & drink with them post match, & all that, so IT IS possible to have 'black friends in football' & still be racist. These sort of people simply tone down how they feel when in black company.




I don't doubt what you're saying at all but the same applies to a good many black people who will behave differently depending on the company they are in.


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I don't doubt that SOME black people, but I find your term of 'a good many' black people somewhat strange. On what do you base that on? One is too many, as is one white person, or whatever generalised race...but a 'good many'? What would that be percentage wise...because it implies a heck of a lot...



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fa need to really look at racism in my view, totally rethink.



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fa need to really look at racism in my view, totally rethink.


Does that include people who say that they hate Germans?Wink


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I don't doubt that SOME black people, but I find your term of 'a good many' black people somewhat strange. On what do you base that on? One is too many, as is one white person, or whatever generalised race...but a 'good many'? What would that be percentage wise...because it implies a heck of a lot...


I am obviously guessing but the precentage is probably much the same in both black and white people.


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