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splodge
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Jun 18, 2012, 10:29 PM

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Proposed Constitution to be voted at next weeks AGM. 21-17.

Premier Division:
AFC Portchester
Alresford Town
Alton Town
Bemerton Heath Harlequins
Blackfield & Langley
Bournemouth
Christchurch
Downton
Fareham Town
Fawley AFC
GE Hamble
Hamworthy United
Hayling United
Horndean
Lymington Town
Moneyfields
New Milton Town
Newport IOW
Romsey Town
Totton & Eling
Verwood Town

Division 1:
Amesbury Town
Andover New Street
Brading Town
Brockenhurst
Cowes Sports
East Cowes Vics
Fleet Spurs
Hythe & Dibden
Laverstock & Ford
Petersfield Town
Pewsey Vale
Ringwood Town
Stockbridge
Tadley Calleva
Team Solent
United Services Portsmouth
Whitchurch United.

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Sarumio
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Jun 18, 2012, 10:34 PM

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Re: [splodge] Wessex League 2012-13 [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

Getting smaller by the season!

chienmort
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Jun 18, 2012, 11:08 PM

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Re: [Sarumio] Wessex League 2012-13 [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

No relegated clubs in for some years so it is bound to shrink

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blackdouglas
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Jun 18, 2012, 11:22 PM

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Re: [chienmort] Wessex League 2012-13 [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

I'm more concerned there's nobody come up from Step 7.

Northwood, Threave Rovers, Arsenal, Watford, Rochdale, Rangers (the real ones, NOT qpr), queen of the south and a few others.

Pyramid Allocations for the 2013/14 season as published by the FA on May 17th http://bit.ly/18QoFvt
How I would've allocated the clubs for 2013/14 http://bit.ly/OS8GoJ

chienmort
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Jun 18, 2012, 11:25 PM

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Any ide why no one has come up from Step 7?

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blackdouglas
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Jun 18, 2012, 11:48 PM

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Re: [chienmort] Wessex League 2012-13 [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

Apart from Westland whose loss of ground is well documented I guess it's a combination of Can't or Don't Want to. It is just the Hampshire Premier and Dorset Premier Leagues that are feeders to the Wessex at the moment?

splodge
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Jun 19, 2012, 12:07 AM

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Any ide why no one has come up from Step 7?

Only QK Southampton applied and they dont have lights and had little chance of getting them in time.

Only Hants Lge clubs with lights are Locks Heath - no cover/stand and open rec ground, Liss - Ditto, AFC Aldermaston - no cover.

Very little chance of the other clubs getting lights I'd have thought.

In the Dorset Premier League - only Portland, Swanage and Shaftesbury have lights. Currently no chance of Portland or Swanage looking to return to the Wessex and Shaftesbury only just left in 2011.

VP
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Jun 19, 2012, 12:42 AM

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Re: [splodge] Wessex League 2012-13 [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

Liphook have been trying to get new facilities at a new site for a while. I'm sure they would have taken promotion if they had the grading.
There's a debate regarding the club and facilities on one of their local websites.
http://www.liphook.co.uk/...ead_wide&id=4282

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Jun 19, 2012, 9:08 AM

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Re: [VP] Wessex League 2012-13 [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

Maybe the only way to get the numbers up is to make all the Hampshire sides at step 5 and 6 play in the Wessex, that would add Cove, Eversley, Hartley Wintney. Is it another case of starting in the South East corner moving each leagues footprint 10 or 15 miles north and / or west which would actually balance a lot of things out. Yes the CoCo would lose clubs to the Wessex and Kent but could gain the same number from the Hellenic and looking at those clubs it would actually reduce travelling. The knock on effect would be the Hellenic moves north and would be a good home for clubs south of Birmingham thus taking some of the load off of the Midland Alliance.

Going back to the Wessex feeders and Hampshire maybe the Pyramid has just about drained the county of floodlit clubs, the Hants Premier never seems to grow or supply clubs to step 6, the 2004 gets smaller by the season - 11 this season I think. At local level the Winchester League went in the last year or two and the North Hants League went a few years ago.

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Sarumio
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Jun 19, 2012, 9:40 AM

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I would go a setp further and add some of the Wiltshire sides to the Wessex League as well and get them out of the Western League. Cornwall to Wiltshire at Step 6 is absurd! Ok there's no Cornwall sides at Step 6 - but Devon to Wiltshire is still pretty nasty!

Buckland Athletic to Melksham next season 127 miles each way!!!!

I'd move Westbury United, Warminster Town, Devizes Town and maybe Dorset sides Sherborne Town and Gillingham Town into the Wessex League too! Even Bradford-on-Avon and Melksham to Southampton and Bournemouth is only 60 miles so thrown them in there too!

Move the Gloucestershire sides to the Hellenic at the same time and then maybe you might see more SWPL sides step up to Step 5.

Radical I know - but in my opinion the Wessex League should cover MORE than just Hampshire, plus a handful of clubs in Dorst and the 4 Salisbury-area clubs!

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Jun 19, 2012, 1:49 PM

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Perhaps AFC Aldermaston (although they could be a target for the Hellenic League) and Andover Lions are possible entries into Wessex Division One as both clubs have the facilities. Andover Lions would have to seek promotion into the Hampshire Premier League first, of course.

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Newportonian
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Jun 19, 2012, 7:13 PM

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Re: [splodge] Wessex League 2012-13 [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

Splodge,

Why should the Wessex League propose to have an odd number of teams in each division.
21 in the Premier and 17 in the First Division.
Two teams each week without a fixture.

Even more reason why not to buy a season ticket. One less game.

Surely they should not relegate Brading Town and keep even numbers fopr each division.

Mind you this is the Wessex League and strange things do happen in their domain.

It is time they started to invite clubs from outside of Hampshire to join.

VP
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Jun 19, 2012, 7:40 PM

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Why should the Wessex League propose to have an odd number of teams in each division.
21 in the Premier and 17 in the First Division.
Two teams each week without a fixture.

It doesn't always work like that. The CCL had an odd number of teams in the Premier Division a couple of years ago but we didn't miss a Saturday. Every time it's FA Cup or Vase week one of the sides that's due to miss a league game could be playing in that or the league can juggle the others around to give them a game. If a league's a bit clever it can also have League Cup games played on a Saturday if the tie involves a team from each division.
There's also the fact that teams in divisions with less than 20 clubs will miss one or more Saturdays anyway due to not having enough opponents unless they win a few FA games.
Apart from that, sometimes it's nice just to have a Saturday off once in a while. I've seen plenty of clubs ask to bring Saturday games forward to midweek which our league generally accomodates.
A lot depends on the fixture secretary of the league and how flexible they are.

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chienmort
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Jun 19, 2012, 9:29 PM

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Spot on I have thought this for some times but have not developed the thoughts as you have.

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Mek
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Jun 19, 2012, 10:56 PM

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You could have a 20 team Div 1 of:

Amesbury, Andover New Street, Brading, Brockenhurst, Calne, Cowes Sports, Devizes, East Cowes Vics, Hythe & Dibden, Laverstock, Pewsey Vale, Petersfield, Ringwood, Shrewton, Stockbridge,Team Solent, US Portsmouth, Warminster, Westbury & Whitchurch

Tadley would go to the Hellenic or CCL, Fleet Spurs to CCL.

Clubs - 119 (Grounds 123)

2012/13 - Fareham Town, Poole Town, US Portsmouth, Bournemouth Poppies, Sholing, Alton Town, Gillingham Town, Alderbury, Bashley, Alresford Town, Gosport Borough

splodge
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Jun 19, 2012, 11:24 PM

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Splodge,

Why should the Wessex League propose to have an odd number of teams in each division.
21 in the Premier and 17 in the First Division.
Two teams each week without a fixture.

eh pass and do agree it seems strange. Crazy

Could still be voted down of course at the AGM next week and Brading do get reprieved.

I think the mass movement of the Wiltshire based Western League clubs has been muted before but nothing came of it.

RRYFS
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Jun 20, 2012, 9:09 AM

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Several interesting aspects here. DPL clubs have been heading West recently by choice - with Warminster opting to move across, I can't see there would be much support for forcing all the Wiltshire and Dorset clubs to the Wessex.

One of the big problems is the lack of relegations back to the Wessex. Every time a Northern Club has problems (or is expelled by their League) and the PPG system of reprieves from step 4 saves a Southern Club from relegation, the geographical imbalance of the non league structure is made worse.

Finding clubs for promotion in Hampshire or Dorset is mostly down to lights. The DPL clubs with lights have ruled themselves out previously, and Portland would go West if things changed there. In East Dorset, there is now a possibility that Hamworthy Recreation would get permission if they wanted - Poole Town's new stadium will be just along the road, and the old "no lights in the Green Belt" prohibition seems to have been dropped. Of the others, Parley might get permission, as might Cobham, but both are unlikely to want, or qualify for, progression. Just down the road from Parley, what about Bournemouth Sports? Anybody know if they have any ambition to progress. Shouldn't think lights would be a problem there.

The Hampshire situation is probably fairly nimby driven. A few years ago, I believe Otterbourne had a serious go in order to stay in the expanded Wessex, but were defeated by resident opposition - there are not many clubs that would not face the same problems with planning for lights.

Perhaps we should face up to the fact that there is a limited pool of clubs able to play at step 6 or above with the current grading regs, and bar one or two, we have reached that limit. Unless the FA is prepared to modify the step 6 rules, then 16 team step 6 divisions may continue.

At our AGM (2 days before the Wessex League AGM), I will suggest to our Secretary that we support the reprieve of Brading in line with previous practice. Not sure there will be much support, as most clubs probably welcome one less visit to the island next season.

A lot depends on the fixture secretary of the league and how flexible they are. Yeah - whatever!

wishmaster3211
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Jun 20, 2012, 3:43 PM

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Pewsey recently moved the other way mind you. Warminster probably wouldnt have moved had this sort of srtructure been in place.

My team, Calne, is the most easterly in the Western League now. I have suggested they'd be better off in the Hellenic or Wessex. I think the number of local derbies and the fact that a lot of trips are just to Bristol makes them favour the status quo, so unless a lot of clubs moved at once it wont happen.

Good ideas though

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RRYFS
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Jun 20, 2012, 3:48 PM

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I think you'll find Shrewton is furthest east, and the biggest anomaly since they're only just down the road from Amesbury. Pewsey came from the Hellenic.

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I think you'll find Shrewton is furthest east, and the biggest anomaly since they're only just down the road from Amesbury. Pewsey came from the Hellenic.

Pewsey were in the Western before the Hellenic though, and quite recently. Shrewton is indeed quite an anomaly, Id always though it was West of here but I suppose drawing a line on a map its East. Not sure why they are in the Western, once you are South of the Plain its always easier to travel South than North.

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Think Pewsey have been Wilts Co, Western, Hellenic, Wilts Co, Wessex. in that order in the last 20 or so seasons. Saw them in the Hellenic less than five years ago.

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Amesbury were in the Western in the Mid-90s.

I think it is easier for Shrewton to head north and west to games than go south (through Salisbury), which would explain why they are in the Western.

With Warminster back in the Western, they are less an anomaly than have been - Shrewton is about 12 miles from both Warminster and Devizes.

I think Warminster were unhappy with some of the Wessex Fixtures organisation last season.

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2012/13 - Fareham Town, Poole Town, US Portsmouth, Bournemouth Poppies, Sholing, Alton Town, Gillingham Town, Alderbury, Bashley, Alresford Town, Gosport Borough

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in my experience Shrewton 30 mins Southampton just over an hour. Must take them a lot longer to get to Bristol than it would to Southampton. Terrible roads too. I cannot easily make it from work in Bristol where a lot of WL clubs are, to Salisbury for an evening game. Guess they must have their reasons though.

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Brading Town have decided to drop out of the Wessex League and return to the Isle of Wight league. Full story here:

http://www.bradingfc.com/

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With just 16 teams in the league now that Brading Town have gone it makes you wonder whether the FA should reconsider whether floodlights are essential at this level. Last season there were hardly any mid-week games in Wessex 1 and there will be even less this coming season. I was looking forward to a Brading Town re-visit although some clubs are likely to be grateful for only two trips to the Isle of Wight rather than three as it is expensive.

Speaking to QK last season they seem to be well on their way to getting the necessary requirements to get up to Wessex 1 but it has already cost them a considerable amount and it is hard seeing where clubs are going to get the money from to get to the step 6 level. Hopefully QK will come up in 2013-14.

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