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cope1
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Indeed. If a match is drawn in the Middlesex League the team with the higher run rate receives a winning draw, worth 4 points (10 for a win) with the opposition getting a losing draw, worth 1 point.

I'm assuming it's not possible to score an incomplete win batting second then Jamesie?



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AndyE
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In the Yorkshire League you can get an incomplete win batting second. Whether you bat first or second, to get a complete win (8 points) you need to bowl the other team out. If you win without bowling the other team out, then you get an incomplete win (6 points). Losing teams get nothing for a complete loss, but can get 1 or 2 for an incomplete loss; I'm not sure what the criteria for those points are.

Middlesex's 10-4-1-0 system has the benefit of simplicity, but the downside is that clubs often play for winning draws rather than for wins. The notion that the 4 points go to the team with the faster scoring rate is only about ten years old; it used to be that the 4 points went to the team who scored more runs (i.e. the team batting first). That changed after the time that Finchley - needing four points for the title - batted until 7 o'clock and left their opponents 10 overs to chase 350. (That was the gist of what happened, anyway. At this time, there was no limit on how many overs the first team could bat for.)

Most leagues in the south persist with the odd notion that the team batting first gets more overs - in Middlesex, for instance, it's 66:54. East Anglia used to play a barking mad 72:48, although they too now play 66:54. In Kent we can't be doing with that - in the first half of the season it's 55 each, and in the second half of the season (no draws) it's 50 each.


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Surely you wouldn't get far playing for winning draws, unless you were simply trying to avoid relegation. In that situation it doesn't matter what system you use, there is always a way for teams to scrape by. I thought the number of overs was limited to 55 nowadays but perhaps thats the Herts League or Middx Championship.



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AndyE
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Unless you play limited overs with no draws, yes there is indeed always a way for teams to scrape by. But then the Middlesex League over the last few years has only included two teams with any realistic chance of winning it - Teddington and Ealing - and the others are really only playing for third place and to avoid relegation.

As for the 55 overs, that is correct below the Premier Division - the other two divisions play 100 overs split 55:45.


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Ah OK, I thought there was a 55 over limit somewhere.

So, asking as someone who has a big interest in all this but very little knowledge, are the other London leagues other than Kent) like this? Is there a north-south divide, generally speaking?

Thanks for any info.



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We play a 92 over game, the maximum of which the side batting first can occupy is 46. They can of course declare in which case the side batting second gets the remaining overs.



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AndyE
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So, asking as someone who has a big interest in all this but very little knowledge, are the other London leagues other than Kent) like this? Is there a north-south divide, generally speaking?


You've prompted me to do something that I've been meaning to do for quite a while. The following are the bare bones match rules of each of the 26 Premier Leagues. From it you'll see that the idea of the first team getting more overs is indeed largely confined to the south east (except Kent), but is also used in the north east. (NB Corrections and clarifications very welcome.)

Birmingham: Start 12.00. 110 overs, first innings not more than 55. Win = 20 points if win the toss and field, otherwise 24. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 8 points if second team reach 80% of target, 10 points if not, plus bonus points. Losing draw = 2 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Cheshire: Start 12.30. 110 overs, first innings not more than 55. Win = 25 points. Draw = 2 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Cornwall: Start 1.00. 110 overs, first innings not more than 55. Win = 10 plus bonus points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 6 points if second team reach 75% of target, 8 points if not, plus bonus points. Losing draw = 2 or 0 (basis as above) plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Derbyshire: Start 12.30. 100 overs, first innings not more than 50. Win = 27 points batting first, 22 points batting second. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 8 points if second team within 25 of target, 9 points if within 50, 10 points if within 75, 11 points if not, plus bonus points. Losing draw = 4, 3, 2, or 1 (basis as above), plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Devon: Start 1.00. 50 overs each, no draws. Win = 10 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
East Anglia: Start 11.00. 120 overs, first innings not more than 66. Win = 30 points batting first, 25 points batting second. Draw = 3 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Essex: Weeks 6-14: Start 12.15. 110 overs, first innings not more than 58. Win = 25 points batting first, 20 points batting second. Draw= 3 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Weeks 1-5, 15-18: Start 12.30. 50 overs each, no draws. Win = 20 points. Loss = bonus points.
Home Counties: Start 11.00. 120 overs, first innings not more than 66. Win = 25 points. Draw = 3 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Kent: Weeks 1-9: Start 12.00. 110 overs, first innings not more than 55. Win= 16 points if win the toss and field, otherwise 20. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 6 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Weeks 10-18: Start 12.00. 50 overs each, no draws. Win = 18 points. Loss = bonus points.
Leicestershire: Start 1.00. 100 overs, first innings not more than 50. Win = 20 points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first)= 5 points if second team within 10 of target, 6 points if within 30, 7 points if within 50, 8 points if not, plus bonus points. Losing draw = 4, 3, 2, or 1 (basis as above), plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Lincolnshire: Start 12.30. 100 overs, first innings not more than 50. Win = 10 points plus bonus points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 7 points if second team within 75 of target, 9 points if not, plus bonus points. Losing draw = 3 or 1 (basis as above), plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Liverpool and District: Start 1.00. Final hour from 6.45, no over limits. Win = 20 points. Draw or loss = bonus points. Has two rival websites which both assert themselves as the official one.
Middlesex: Start 11.30. 120 overs, first innings not more than 66. Win = 10 points. Winning draw (goes to team with higher run rate) = 4 points. Losing draw = 1 point. Loss = 0 points.
North East: Start 11.30. 120 overs, first innings not more than 65. Win = 15 points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 7 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = 3 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
North Staffs South Ches: Start 1.00. 110 overs, first innings not more than 55. Win = 25 points batting first, 20 points batting second. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 5 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
North Wales: Start 12.30. 110 overs, first innings not more than 55. Win = 16 points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 6 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = 2 or 3 points (unclear of basis), plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
North Yorks South Durham: Start 1.30. 100 overs, first innings not more than 50. Win = 20 points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 6 points if second team within 50 of target, 8 points if not, plus bonus points. Losing draw = 2 or 0 (basis as above), plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Northamptonshire: Start 12.00. 110 overs, first innings not more than 55. Win = 30 points batting first, 24 points batting second. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 5 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = 2 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Northern: Start 1.00. 100 overs, first innings not more than 50. Win = 15 points batting first, 12 points batting second. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 4 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = 1 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Nottinghamshire: Start 12.30. 100 overs, first innings not more than 50. Win = 20 points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 10 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = 2 plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
South Wales: Start 12.30. 100 overs, first innings not more than 50. Win = 10 points if won the toss and field, plus bonus points, otherwise 12 points plus bonus points. Winning draw (goes to team batting first) = 9 points if second team within 20 of target, 10 points if within 30, 11 points if not, plus bonus points. Losing draw = 3, 2, or 1 (basis as above), plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Southern: Weeks 6-14: Start 11.30. 120 overs, first innings not more than 64. Win = 10 points if win the toss and field, plus bonus points, otherwise 15 points plus bonus points. Winning draw (goes to team with higher run rate, except that a team winning the toss and fielding cannot get a winning draw) = 8 points plus bonus points. Losing draw = 3 points plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Weeks 1-5, 15-18: Start 1.00. 50 overs each, no draws. Win = 12 points plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Surrey: Weeks 6-14: Start 11.30. 120 overs, first innings not more than 66 overs. Win = 13 points. Winning draw (goes to team with higher run rate) = 4 points. Losing draw = 1 point. Loss = 0 points.
Weeks 1-5, 15-18: Start 12.30. 50 overs each, no draws. Win = 9 points, plus bonus point available on World Cup basis. Loss = 0 points. Duckworth/Lewis in use.
Sussex: Start 12.30. 110 overs, first innings not more than 58 overs. Win = 20 points. Draw or loss = bonus points.
West of England: Start 1.00. 50 overs each, no draws. Win = 10 points plus bonus points. Loss = bonus points.
Yorkshire: Start 12.00. 55 overs each, no draws. Complete win (opposition bowled out) = 8 points. Incomplete win (opposition not bowled out) = 6 points. Incomplete loss = 0, 1, or 2 points (unclear of basis). Complete loss = 0 points.


(This post was edited by AndyE on Jun 21, 2012, 1:32 PM)


cope1
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Re: [AndyE] Club Cricket [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Andy you are a star! I keep meaning to do something similar but (always doing it alphabetically) get distracted shortly after describing the Birmingham League and forget what I'm doing.



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