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Mister TwoU
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May 28, 2012, 9:30 AM

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(Ladderman, look away now)

Imagine the worst-case scenario happening at the end of 2012-13 season:-

Conference Premier relegates Woking, Ebbsfleet United, Newport County & Dartford.

Conference South promotes Billericay Town & Chelmsford City.

Conference South relegates 3 permed from other 20.

Southern Premier promotes AFC Totton & Bideford.

Isthmian Premier promotes Wealdstone & Lewes.

These are choices that individually should not strain credulity, granted were ALL to occur, someone predicting them would be on mighty long odds. lol.

What on earth could two regional Conference divisions look like following such a 'perfect storm'?

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(This post was edited by Mister TwoU on May 28, 2012, 9:30 AM)

London Harrier
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May 28, 2012, 10:03 PM

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I imagine Boreham Wood, in London travel zone 6, would be in Conference North. As indeed might Wealdstone.

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Part-Timer
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May 29, 2012, 9:34 AM

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At what point would it make more sense to have an east-west split, particularly bearing in mind that travelling north-south is generally easier than east-west?

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At what point would it make more sense to have an east-west split, particularly bearing in mind that travelling north-south is generally easier than east-west?

Interesting.

How would the Blue Square regional divisions look if they were set as East and West instead of North/South?

HarryC
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May 29, 2012, 10:14 AM

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At what point would it make more sense to have an east-west split, particularly bearing in mind that travelling north-south is generally easier than east-west?

Interesting.

How would the Blue Square regional divisions look if they were set as East and West instead of North/South?

Truro to Workington sounds fantastic, if they both went up one year, it would happen, so why not prepare teams for proper travel, especially the ambitious ones that want to get to a national division.

Part-Timer
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May 29, 2012, 11:03 AM

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At what point would it make more sense to have an east-west split, particularly bearing in mind that travelling north-south is generally easier than east-west?

Interesting.

How would the Blue Square regional divisions look if they were set as East and West instead of North/South?

The clubs at the extremes are always likely to have some hefty journeys and Truro and Workington would certainly suffer from an east-west split but the M6 would ease their pain a little on most of the longer journeys. A quick bash at how an east-west split might look for next season:

West

Altrincham
Bath City
Bradford Park Avenue
Chester
Colwyn Bay
Dorchester Town
Droylsden
Eastleigh
FC Halifax Town
Gloucester City
Guiseley
Harrogate Town
Hinckley United
Oxford City
Salisbury City
Solihull Moors
Stalybridge Celtic
Truro City
Vauxhall Motors
Weston Super Mare
Worcester City
Workington

East

AFC Hornchurch
Basingstoke Town
Billericay Town
Bishop's Stortford
Boreham Wood
Boston United
Brackley Town
Bromley
Chelmsford City
Corby Town
Dover Athletic
Eastbourne Borough
Farnborough
Gainsborough Trinity
Havant & Waterlooville
Hayes & Yeading United
Histon
Maidenhead United
Staines Town
Sutton United
Tonbridge Angels
Welling United

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Mister TwoU
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A possible solution to this kind of problem may be to step away from the round robin format and instead operate a strictly controlled merit table instead?

If each team were allowed to drop its seven longest journeys, and instead play their six closest opponents a second time each season, maybe that could work? I chose those numbers btw, because on the surface they'd seem to fit a 22 team division, although I'd have no idea how to administrate fixtures, etc. in that pattern. I don't even know how possible that would be!

Otherwise, the idea would be much more easily operated given 24 teams in a division.
Divide the league footprint into 4 sections of six teams each, based on geography, the sets chosen as if separated by 4 spokes of a wheel.
Each team plays its 5 home-sector opponents twice home + twice away = 20 games.
Each team also plays its 12 opponents in the closest other two sectors, just once home + once away = 24 games.
Those 6 teams in the furthest away sector do not get played.

Sectors would need to be quite cunningly arranged, in order to produce (a) the maximum benefit in mileage reductions & (b) the fairest distribution of traveling distance/time between the teams and would obviously get redrawn each new season. Arranging sectors like spokes will certainly help equalise the averages, but note that it doesn't necessarily guarantee a team will always get to drop all six of its longest hauls. Similarly, particularly for the hub-most teams, some of their shorter journeys would likely be dropped!

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alderman friend
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May 29, 2012, 12:29 PM

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So the four most northern teams on the east of the country end up in the westsection.

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So the four most northern teams on the east of the country end up in the westsection.

Harsh but technically correct. The country is on a tilt - Aberdeen is actually west of Birmingham. Crazy

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